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Amazon admits giving police Ring camera footage without consent

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Post by mlyle »

kelnos wrote: post #279
woodruffw wrote: post #211

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Where, pray tell, does the fulfillment center receive them from? Shipping happens regardless (I know my local hardware store doesn't make vacuum cleaners), but the waste of individual boxes and delivery for every single item on demand is obscene. You're right that it's just as nice in cities, if not nicer. But that doesn't make it right, and it doesn't make it not a maladaptation within our economic system.

> Where, pray tell, does the fulfillment center receive them from? Shipping happens regardless (I know my local hardware store doesn't make vacuum cleaners) Yes, exactly -- the shipping happens regardless. It's certainly more efficient to ship 20 of each widget to a store than it is to ship 20 widgets to 20 homes, though. But then people have to get to the store to buy those widgets, and often they will drive to get…

> but some shippers will still break up a single order into multiple boxes spread over several days, which sucks.

I'd almost swear Amazon does this maliciously. One item per box.

Unless you have a small delicate item and a large heavy item, in which case they put them in the same box with no void fill.

Usually doesn't obviously damage the small delicate item, but I have to wonder if it's subtly damaged, etc, for the experience.

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Post by fingerlocks »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #483
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #28

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Where the hell do you all live where this is a common problem? Out of all of my friend and relatives, 100s of people, none of them have ever complained about vandalism/theft.

Ballard neighborhood of Seattle. We don’t have it as bad as some other neighborhoods (like Bitter Lake or Queen Anne, or anywhere South Seattle), and the part of Ballard I live in is pretty nice for the nearby area, but property crime is still a huge problem. It was worse last year when there was a huge encampment set up at the Ballard commons. I’ve been hearing similar problems in many big cities as well (Portland,…

It’s mostly Ballard. You won’t experience the level of these problems in much of South Seattle. Neighborhoods such as Seward Park, Mt Baker, Madrona, Leschi, and Columbia City are quiet and low on property crime. Never had a car break in or heard of a package theft in a decade of living on the south end.

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Post by jimmaswell »

dieortin wrote: post #386
jimmaswell wrote: post #380

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You have no right not to be recorded in public in my opinion. You're the one shooting photons onto their property (the camera) that they should be able to do what they want with.

So I should be able to peer through your bathroom’s window because you’re shooting photons outside?

if I left it open, yes.

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Post by adastra22 »

tomjakubowski wrote: post #306
adastra22 wrote: post #108

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I used to have things stolen off my porch frequently. After installing a Ring camera, that ended immediately and never happened again. It did seem to work as a deterrent.

Since the camera is a good deterrent, would you then consider disabling the service?

Why would I? It faces my private driveway which, is my property in a public space. I have absolutely no qualms about that being recorded.

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Post by adastra22 »

parkingrift wrote: post #472
adastra22 wrote: post #207

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What is the issue with a porch camera looking out into a low traffic public space like my own personal driveway? I seriously don't understand the complaint here, and I say this as someone who has a Faraday pouch for my phone and a policy of no AI "assistants" WITHIN the house.

There isn’t any issue with a camera. The issue is that you lazily picked the spyware camera from Amazon.

…and? I’m paying them for a service if handling recording and integration with the app, etc.

What is the problem here?

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Post by quixoticaxolotl »

themitigating wrote: post #456
heavyset_go wrote: post #369

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Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like the OP is not justifying such a view, but explaining how others tend to see things in general.

It doesn't seem like because he's describing it directly and offering no criticism. He also says " so we ignore the vague costs against the concrete benefits." Which implies him and people like him or around him. Normally if someone wanted to indicate that they would say "some people think.." or "in their world/mind"

You're reading too much into the use of the royal "we" here.

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Post by Pakdef »

suddenexample wrote: post #499

I'm probably just being naive here, but can someone enlighten me to whether Google's Nest cameras have had similar issues? Ring seems to have had a long trail of issues with being hacked, collaborating with police, etc. Not looking for hypotheticals here; I know most oppose the general principle of cloud-backed surveillance devices, but I personally (for better or for worse) have a better impression of Google's attem…

We know that Google has a pipe going to the Government from Snowden's leaks... Apple too.

We are due for a new leak though.

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Post by googlryas »

dm319 wrote: post #489
googlryas wrote: post #404

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I find this viewpoint very strange. Why are you jumping to the idea that you're being treated as suspicious, and being judged, and being avoided as a result of that judgement? What if people were just...doing something else? At work? At the movies? Driving? Pooping? Do you feel judged when you walk up to doors with peepholes?

Because when you can hear that people are clearly in, and you know yourv video feed is available to them, and no one answers the door after waiting and ringing twice, it's a reasonable conclusion. Especially when this seems to be a feature of those with Ring doorbells.

Sure, but you're assuming it is something about you which prevents them from answering the door. Maybe they just get a lot of door to door salesmen and ignore the door bell when they aren't expecting anyone.

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Post by heavyset_go »

googlryas wrote: post #396
heavyset_go wrote: post #320

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I think there's a big difference between a busybody staring out the window sometimes and being upset with what they see versus a busybody with a 24/7 security system that pings them at all hours of the day with alerts and video clips about "suspicious" activity it detects, along with apps like Nextdoor, Citizen and the Ring Neighbors app that allow the paranoid to continuously share said clips and create local echo c…

In this case we have no idea whether that happened, or whether the crappy neighbor was just looking out their window at that moment. It is silly to blame a doorbell camera for this.

When the cops that stopped me bring up the fact that I was acting "suspicious" according to a neighbor's Ring recording, I can easily blame the doorbell camera for the interaction.
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