Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent • Hacker News Board

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by sudosteph » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:40 PM UTC

jonnycomputer wrote: post #154

joshjje wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." So still selfish (if doing it for the reward), but that is human nature.

"do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

Weird metaphor, right? We're probably missing context for that one. My theory is that it boils down to "don't nickel and dime or be overly concerned with recording the amount of your charitable giving"

The reason I think that, is because in ancient Roman times they had a way of counting on your fingers where you could count up to 100 on your left hand alone (then you could use your right hand after that for even larger values). [1]. So if the context is "small values" and charitable giving, it makes more sense to me at least.

[1] https://tookmund.com/2020/05/roman-finger-counting

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by ryandrake » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:42 PM UTC

hef19898 wrote: post #85

mihaic wrote: post #56

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I've actually become a bit of a dick in these situations since a trip to Italy, and every time I see a large camera in a public place I walk in front of it on purpose. I'm a naturally nice guy, but these people were making my vacation less enjoyable for no reason, and I felt an instinctive urge to ruin their experience as well.

There is a difference between the social.media selfie photographers and those people trying to take nice pictures of beautiful places. A big camera usually points at tue latter, phones and lighting and whatnot at the former.

The instagrammers and tiktokers have poisoned the well. If there is a human subject in the picture who is posing, it's now pretty safe to assume it's a social media narcissist, and I see no reason to step around or enable their behavior.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by nonrandomstring » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:42 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #143

phpisthebest wrote: post #93

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I am not aware of a context where virtue signaling would be a good practice or behavior.

Perhaps we're working to different definitions of the term. To me, virtue signaling is signaling (i.e. making publicly known) a virtuous act. To me that seems like an unambiguously good thing: it is likely to inspire others to similar virtuous acts, creating a feedback loop of people encouraging others to engage in good behaviour. "I voted! You should get out and vote too" feels like an example of positive virtual si…

> "I voted! You should get out and vote too" feels like an example of positive virtual signalling.

Good point. This is a clear example of where "virtue signalling" (leading by example in this case) can be considered a good. rather than an ostentatious, pretentious, or pridefull showing-off of empty virtue.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by micromacrofoot » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:43 PM UTC

duncan_idaho wrote: post #203

micromacrofoot wrote: post #100

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In the US you'd need permission to film the location, and without a release you could be stopped from using the video commercially (social media can count as commercial use if the uploader profits from views) This can cover public places too, some localities require a permit to film a public place for commercial use.

Some courts have ruled requiring permits and fees for commercial filming constitute 1st amendment violations because they are content-based restrictions on free speech.

Yeah it's definitely questionable... but banning someone using your images commercially feels right to me, especially in the context of this kind of exploitation. It isn't as blatant as creepshots, but it feels abusive.

We can't hold so tightly to free speech that it erodes reasonable individual rights, but what's "reasonable" is often a grey area. Worth debating.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by davegauer » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:44 PM UTC

treis wrote: post #208

V-2 wrote: post #148

This is a form of douchebaggery, sure, but "dehumanised" seems a bit out of proportion here. I'd reconsider such phrases out of respect for all the people who have been genuinely dehumanised throughout history, if nothing else.

Maybe I don't get it but this doesn't even rate as douchebaggery to me. At worst it's a minor inconvenience but mostly it's free flowers. The blast on TikTok might rate but she's not portrayed in a negative light. Personally I just find it all very weird.

This may not work since I don't know anything about you, but: imagine you discovered this was your own mother (or grandmother or...) in the video.

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Post by raunak » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:44 PM UTC

workingon wrote: post #140

nkozyra wrote: post #75

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Obviously the most exploitative thing is doing it for the clicks, but none of this has ever felt "sweet" or "positive" or whatever other guise they're presented as. I wonder who finds this type of content genuinely appealing?

The answer is always ‘kids’.

Eh I’d say you’re looking at the wrong culprit. More likely than not, the average person who mindlessly spends time on their phone. Next time you take public transportation, look around you to see what people do when bored - nearly everyone these days is on either TikTok, Reels, YouTube Shorts, or whatever nonsense Facebook calls their short algorithmic video.

It’s everyone - people fall for whatever the path of least resistance to the next dopamine hit is.

And even if not true, you’re discounted bored housewives, the elderly, etc.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by melenaboija » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:44 PM UTC

jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

Why do you feel compelled to do so?

Is it that you feel that a quote from a fantastic book measures the goodness or evilness of the act or are you just saying that someone else already found himself in this dilema in the past and wrote a parable about it with its personal judgement?

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by amtamt » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:45 PM UTC

> He wholeheartedly apologises to Maree if she was offended by what he did and urges her to contact him privately so he can personally apologise. If she requests him to take down the video he will do that.

Is this really how one apologizes these days.

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Post by mcv » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:47 PM UTC

afavour wrote: post #143

phpisthebest wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not aware of a context where virtue signaling would be a good practice or behavior.

Perhaps we're working to different definitions of the term. To me, virtue signaling is signaling (i.e. making publicly known) a virtuous act. To me that seems like an unambiguously good thing: it is likely to inspire others to similar virtuous acts, creating a feedback loop of people encouraging others to engage in good behaviour. "I voted! You should get out and vote too" feels like an example of positive virtual si…

I think there's basically two different sorts of behaviour that could fit the description. One is doing something good while setting an example for others, and the other is being seen to do something good or virtuous in order to receive appreciation for it.

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Post by wahnfrieden » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 3:47 PM UTC

melenaboija wrote: post #347

jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

Why do you feel compelled to do so? Is it that you feel that a quote from a fantastic book measures the goodness or evilness of the act or are you just saying that someone else already found himself in this dilema in the past and wrote a parable about it with its personal judgement?

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