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Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income, and renting to a representative distribution of tenants so to prevent guettos. Rent is the main detractor of disposable income which hurts the rest of the economy, and property owners provide almost…

I don't understand why you think state intervention would actually help. The state has no incentive to solve the problems you are talking about.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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This boils down to greed and selfishness, but people even on HN don't want to call spade a spade so they dance around it and give complex somersault answers because they are afraid/too socially conscious to speak the truth.

"We clearly just need more Jesus"

With the right moralizing as your hammer, every problem becomes a convenient supportive nail for your story.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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I went to view an apartment in Prospect Park SW recently and the line wrapped around the block. When I went to apply I was told most people had offered over the asking for rent and how much I'd like to offer over the amount. We're blind bidding on rent in NY now. I wish this was an isolated incident but most apartments I'm looking for the amount of people applying is in the 50s low 100s I decided to just stay put and not look for bigger space. I'll either try again next year or leave the city.

No rent is really worth 5k/mo at that money you can buy a palace an hour or two out of the city.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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> should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income This is great policy if you want to make housing unaffordable. When supply is less than demand, prices go up. Those price increases incentivize builders to increase the housing stock (which subsequently lowers prices). Capping prices prevents the price mechani…

>Those price increases incentivize builders to increase the housing stock (which subsequently lowers prices). This is not reality though. Here in the UK our housing is in major crisis because people simply cannot afford the insane price increases. Pretty much everyone I know shares their living situation, on their own they would not be able to afford basic amenities. The guardian today published an article showing: >…

It takes two parties to increase the price of a housing unit. If rents are up 20% that means people are willing to pay 20% more.

I don't know about the UK, but here in California, prices have skyrocketed, but so has the price of construction.

There are two reasons that has happened:

1) Shortage of construction workers. The ones that are here are either (well paid) first generation immigrants, make more than Silicon Valley windfall money because they speak fluent English and are competent, or are completely incompetent. We don't have enough of the first group, so be prepared to pay 2-3x the cost of materials to get anything done (with the second group acting as middle men, and the third group taking your money, only to have you pay someone else to fix it later).

2) Policies that discourage the building of new rental units:

2a) We have a vacant house on our property. A non-structural remodel for it would cost > $50K to get through permitting, and we're looking at >> $300 sq/ft for the actual remodel. If we did all that, we could either pay a special tax on vacation homes owned by individuals in unincorporated areas that the townies just passed (to help the housing crisis by somehow freeing up housing units in town, where the tax does not apply), or we could rent it out. If we rented it out to a problem tenant, we could literally never get rid of them (unless they decided to not pay rent, but even then, it's 5+ years of court battles). So the house stays vacant.

2b) We just built a house. It took almost a year to clear permitting, and $100K's of wasted nonsense work. Many developable plots in this area are purchased, planning bankrupts the new owners, and then they're sold to the next saps. According to the neighbors, getting permits to build a house around here in under 3 years is unheard of. The result? We have a house, but we are way, way, under water in terms of money put in vs. current valuation. At the lower valuations, the houses around here are not "affordable" by any means. However, if you look at what it would have cost us to develop this land anywhere else in the country, we would have paid way under market value.

Problem (1) could be fixed by encouraging contractors from out of the state to fly in to work here. Apparently, the state has erected licensing barriers to make this hard. I think a lot of money ($1B) is waiting to be taken off the table via arbitrage.

Problem (2) is consistently worsened by voters that think that capping housing costs, "protecting tenants" and other things that further constrict housing supply will somehow lower prices.

The easiest way out of this problem is (1) allow out-of-state firms to build housing and (2) fast-track all new housing permits, including financial liability if the planning commission creates unnecessary delays, unnecessary work, or approves / passes inspection on substandard work.

They should also replace the state wide mandate to reduce commuter miles (which is basically a mandate to increase congestion by tearing out roads) with a mandate to reduce the total carbon emissions per capita spent on transit (which would be a mandate to invest in public transit, bike lanes, and in reducing congestion).

None of those things are politically tenable, so I guess the millennials will just live in RVs or 4-to-a-bedroom until the voting population turns over.

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I'm no NIMBY but places like NYC will never be able to build enough to outpace demand.

I think they can. The thing is the corporate landlords would rather have their high rises sit empty than rent the units at reasonable rates.

Do you know what would motivate this behavior? Naively, any rent is more than zero rent, so why let a unit sit empty?

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income, and renting to a representative distribution of tenants so to prevent guettos. Rent is the main detractor of disposable income which hurts the rest of the economy, and property owners provide almost…

> and property owners provide almost no value, but to provide access to housing for people who has no capital for it, which is service that could be perfectly provided by a state entity. Property of course requires maintenance and management, so the sleight of hand here is to define away all those aspects of ownership so that by definition all that's meant by "landlord" is "old guy who cashes checks." But somebody ha…

> But somebody has to maintain the property, somebody has to prioritize upgrades and improvements, somebody has to cut the grass

In many buildings these things are simply not done.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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| They just need a lot better enforcement If only there was a website where you could search a geographic area and get the address of every airbnb there...

1. Rent an airbnb for a period of time. 2. Tenant reaches out to host and asks to stay longer (or vice versa) 3. They agree to a deal outside airbnb that works better for both of them. - no rules have to be followed

4. Tenant refuses to pay "rent", exercises squatter's rights

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If the private market won’t do it, why not?

Because the private market can't do it. When most cities in the US have 80%+ of its land zoned for single-family units, developers can not build anything other than expensive McMansions.

> cities in the US have 80+ of its land zoned for single-family units

How is that even a city? Single family zoning is a suburban desert at best. Even remote villages have more life and vibrancy than that.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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One piece of the puzzle I'm struggling with in all of this is why if housing is so expensive and rents so high are more houses not being built? Surely the incentive is there, what's going wrong?

My understanding is that houses are being built, but they're not affordable. This Last Week Tonight segment from a few weeks ago covers this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4qmDnYli2E&t=676s
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