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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by treis »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #285
treis wrote: post #208

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Maybe I don't get it but this doesn't even rate as douchebaggery to me. At worst it's a minor inconvenience but mostly it's free flowers. The blast on TikTok might rate but she's not portrayed in a negative light. Personally I just find it all very weird.

Do you have quiet times where you collect yourself? Get lost in your own thoughts or read a book? Imagine me coming up to you during those times and interrupting them, while secretly filming your response. You find out later you've been filmed, and that the person who interrupted you is getting paid for the footage they collected of you without your knowledge. Millions of people have now seen how you react when inter…

>Do you have quiet times where you collect yourself? Get lost in your own thoughts or read a book?

>Imagine me coming up to you during those times and interrupting them

Minor inconvenience

>while secretly filming your response.

Weird

>You find out later you've been filmed, and that the person who interrupted you is getting paid for the footage they collected of you without your knowledge.

Weird but not really any skin off my back.

>Millions of people have now seen how you react when interrupted, and are leaving comments about how much you look like you "needed" interrupting.

Weird

>Maybe a coworker or relative sees you

"I saw you on Tiktok"

"Yeah, it's so weird"

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Post by webkike »

gambiting wrote: post #133
jodrellblank wrote: post #107

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> " I really don't want to be that guy and wade into it with a "well, actually". " Be that guy; what's your criticism about Mr Beast's generosity? He does a lot of content which could be fake; like giving his friends $20,000, but ones which look more serious and genuine and costly include: - Opened a "free bank" where he loaned money into six figures to local people, then surprise! it's not a loan, they can keep it:…

I don't know how to explain it - if you make your living by being charitable, then the whole act of charity is somewhat lessened, no? It's like when nestle announces they are going to plant 1 million trees - like yeah, it's very generous of you, no doubt - but you are doing it as a marketing exercise. Mr Beast is making money this way. I am extremely far from saying that there's anything wrong with it - but it's not…

Mr Beast is making money this way for sure, but he’s also feeding that money back into being generous, so I think in this case it’s fine

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Post by jasonladuke0311 »

naillo wrote: post #181
sva_ wrote: post #176

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With the amount of beggars in cities, I already highly distrust anyone who comes up to me to speak to me. 99 out of 100 times it is someone who tries to somehow enrich themselves.

Please be more empathetic to people who beg for money.

Go walk around Capitol Hill in Denver.

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Post by yawaramin »

giarc wrote: post #197
naillo wrote: post #35

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It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

Let's be honest though, they aren't intended to spread love and kindness, they are intended to get views. It's nothing more than a ruse to get views. If the creator was so inclined to spread love and kindness, he'd donate some of the millions he makes off these exploitive videos to charities.

However he did pay for groceries for a few randos, so that completely balances it out.

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Post by whiddershins »

azinman2 wrote: post #198
whiddershins wrote: post #147

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It's more subtle than that. Because God's reward isn't really in the same conceptual category as material reward or approval of your peers.

But it means you’re doing it because you think you’ll get something out of it.

It's more mind bending than that. The reward is synonymous with the fact that it is good. These are definitionally equivalent within this framework.

It doesn't map one-to-one to the way we typically conceptualize rewards or self interest or altruism.

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Post by [deleted] »

ABoredBirb wrote: post #31
dwringer wrote: post #22

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To me it just seems like a lighthearted prank which resulted in giving flowers to someone who appears in need of cheering up. It's something that could easily have been on any comedy TV show of the last 30 years. And I think there's always been a monetary incentive; Candid Camera first aired in 1948.

Were they also in need of being filmed and put in front of a large audience against their wishes, whilst being portrayed as old and sad?

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Post by i_like_apis »

whitecrow90 wrote: post #18

the cringe level of him going there and disturbing her for a video , i would have a panic attack if i was recorded like this

I also cringed, at the implication that she must have been having a bad day ... why? Because she was eating alone? Or visibly suffering in some way? Such a rude thing to "help" someone minding their own business.

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Post by flycaliguy »

drakonka wrote: post #16

The video itself was quite off-putting when I first saw it. He didn't even just kindly offer her flowers. He _tricked_ her into taking them by making it sound like he just wanted her to hold them for him. She was actually being kind to him by doing him a favor, and then he basically ran away and stuck her with them. That's not kind at all, it's pushy and exploitative. As someone who doesn't usually like to accept gif…

Spot on. The connection between these types of videos seems to be an inability to appreciate that a filmed encounter is ultimately inauthentic. I wonder if young people who have always had smart phones and perhaps have always been filmed by parents and friends live in a different reality a bit. They went to school probably guarding their “image” at all times from a cellphone video.

Thank god there were no cellphones during my high school goth phase.

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Post by winternett »

another-circus wrote: post #286
winternett wrote: post #156

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So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

You can avoid that content by not watching the video or visiting places where videos like that appear.

Like the entire Internet now... Got it.

These apps don't allow for people to choose the content they see. Even the front page of CNN.Com is regularly now citing TikTok clips that went "viral". In the next few years there will be no way to avoid this staged and shilled content anywhere. Especially as monopoly platforms begin to collaborate with each other to create marketing campaigns.

Suggestive/manipulative marketing has a stranglehold on the Internet without most people knowing. Things displayed on site front pages are there for a reason, and it's not usually because it naturally went viral, it's there because it makes companies a lot of money.... The real content, made by authentic people is buried by algorithms and under a sea of staged and copycat content. (Just my opinion though)

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Post by gonzo41 »

TrueGeek wrote: post #288
duxup wrote: post #46

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It seems like the video is for the creator and the audience… and that’s it. There seems to be little interest in the actual person given the flowers other than as a prop.

Even The Guardian couldn't help but link to the TikTok channel, point out when it was posted so you could find it easier, and post a screenshot of the video with the woman in it even though it's an article all about how she didn't want to be on camera. They're going to get tons of views!

'Journalists' dont' give a shit about anyone. Her concerns are mute, now they guardian gets to talk about the meta issue. The tiktok was exploitative, the guardian article was likewise exploitative. They could have not linked to the channel and also just written a description of the tiktok.

Choices were may, all of them to exploit that women directly or indirectly by piling onto the hype.

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