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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by nepeckman »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

Religious or not, I think one of the best philosophies on giving is Rambam's 8 levels of tzedakah. The highest is doing something to materially improve someone's condition, the absolute lowest is giving with a poor attitude. That he doesn't even rank "giving with the intention of getting something yourself" shows how far this is from any sort of good act.

https://www.sefaria.org/sheets/67238?lang=bi

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Post by guerrilla »

nonrandomstring wrote: post #40

The reason this act breaks a moral boundary is that it subverts a principle of "ends" [1]. A genuine random act of kindness cannot occur if it's being filmed. Filming the act turns it into a virtue display. It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ends

I'm not religious but it reminds me of Matthew 6:5-6 "And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites. For they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you pray, go into your inner room, shut your door, and pray to your Father, who is unseen. And your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you."

Some people have always just wanted to show how good they are instead of trying to actually be good (not saying praying is necessarily good but clearly the people who wrote the bible and the people they're speaking of did :P)

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Post by strix_varius »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

> "do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing"

I see Matthew worked as a mid-level manager in a tech company.

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Post by flatline »

petercooper wrote: post #119
silicon2401 wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree much more with your wording of the idea, though I still believe 100% it's possible to do something kind with the intention of filming it. If someone wants to donate a million dollars to me they're welcome to film it on a million cameras if they want

MrBeast. He's almost universally lauded for his generosity and good deeds which are mostly funded by ad revenue or sponsors and seemingly done specifically for YouTube clout.

My kids love Mr Beast. I have used the same word used here, “dehumanizing”, to describe him. The very premise places more value on money than people. It’s made for some great philosophical discussions with two ~10 year olds though.

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Post by zeroonetwothree »

duncan_idaho wrote: post #203
micromacrofoot wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US you'd need permission to film the location, and without a release you could be stopped from using the video commercially (social media can count as commercial use if the uploader profits from views) This can cover public places too, some localities require a permit to film a public place for commercial use.

Some courts have ruled requiring permits and fees for commercial filming constitute 1st amendment violations because they are content-based restrictions on free speech.

Commercial speech is generally less protected so this seems questionable. Also how is it content based?

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Post by cratermoon »

winternett wrote: post #156
naillo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

William Gibson's novel Pattern Recognition revolves around the protagonist's search for the origins of "the footage", a series of anonymous, artistic clips posted on the internet.

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Post by jpindar »

cm42 wrote: post #183

My loathing for TikTok knows no bounds. It's always the most vapid, narcissistic stuff, like a modern-day Tumblr but with sound. All of the uninformed bad takes of Twitter and Reddit, but as dance videos. This is the Bad Place, frens.

TikTok is known for having a very good recommendation algorithm. Whatever you watch, you get more of.

My TikTok is entirely people demonstrating arts and crafts and DIY projects. Oh, and some cute animals.

If your TikTok consists only of things you don't like... that's your choice, I guess.

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Post by MattGaiser »

winternett wrote: post #156
naillo wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

So much of the content I see now on TikTok and other apps is totally staged, and quite often poorly staged at that. It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it. I think things really took off with the people who were making "gold-digger" videos, where a guy tries to talk to a girl an…

> It would be interesting to know who funds the production of many of the videos, because there's obviously an advertising scheme or some sort of moneymaking ploy behind a lot of it.

A friend of a friend is an influencer doing 50K a month. He has a network of influencers he knows. It is overwhelmingly referral schemes for apps or pumping shitcoins.

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Post by guerrilla »

jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

Funny, we were thinking similar, I immediately thought of Matthe 6:6 which I quoted above.
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