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“A Mild Recession”

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Re: “A Mild Recession”

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Please show on the S&P 500 graph where buying to sell now hasn’t been a great opportunity in the last 100 years minus the last twelve months.

You are correct, but that doesn't mean this will hold true forever.

Given no reliable alternatives, I don't see an option other than to bet my long term goals on long running trends.

Re: “A Mild Recession”

#12
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show on the S&P 500 graph where buying to sell now hasn’t been a great opportunity in the last 100 years minus the last twelve months.

Main difference is that the past 10 years everyone and their mom parroted the mantra "buy index funds, it is the best place to put all your savings". That wasn't the case before, today index funds makes up a larger share of investors than ever before in history so we have never seen what an economic crash looks like when everyone invests in index funds. Maybe it wont be bad, but maybe this will be the biggest crash e…

Index funds just automated prior portfolio advice. Are you suggesting that the previous portfolio advice was bad, the efficiency of the automation will cause more correlated crashing or something else?

Re: “A Mild Recession”

#13
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are correct, but that doesn't mean this will hold true forever.

Given no reliable alternatives, I don't see an option other than to bet my long term goals on long running trends.

You cherry picked the companies though. Take the index for the top companies in some other country than USA and that investment no longer looks as secure. USA did great the past 100 years, many other countries didn't.

Re: “A Mild Recession”

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post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please show on the S&P 500 graph where buying to sell now hasn’t been a great opportunity in the last 100 years minus the last twelve months.

Main difference is that the past 10 years everyone and their mom parroted the mantra "buy index funds, it is the best place to put all your savings". That wasn't the case before, today index funds makes up a larger share of investors than ever before in history so we have never seen what an economic crash looks like when everyone invests in index funds. Maybe it wont be bad, but maybe this will be the biggest crash e…

Given that index funds track the most popular funds is it actually the case that money is distributed differently than before? As an index fund investor I have no illusions that the index funds are immune to dips, but I know that I'm saved from the extremes that individual stocks provide - the odds are excellent I'll never wake up ruined overnight, but by also I'll never get spontaneously rich either.

Just for context, while they have grown index funds only make up 10% of the market according to vanguard[1].

[1] https://www.vanguard.ca/documents/truth-about-indexing-en.pd...

Re: “A Mild Recession”

#16
post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Main difference is that the past 10 years everyone and their mom parroted the mantra "buy index funds, it is the best place to put all your savings". That wasn't the case before, today index funds makes up a larger share of investors than ever before in history so we have never seen what an economic crash looks like when everyone invests in index funds. Maybe it wont be bad, but maybe this will be the biggest crash e…

Index funds just automated prior portfolio advice. Are you suggesting that the previous portfolio advice was bad, the efficiency of the automation will cause more correlated crashing or something else?

Crashes typically happens because some part of the market was overhyped and people invested too much money in it. But what happens when the market as a whole is hyped, and people invest lots of money in that? Well, then the market as a whole becomes overvalued, and the market as a whole will crash in the next recession. You can see this being the case with the buffet indicator, stock valuations are higher relative to gdp than ever before. So instead of people pumping up some specific segment of the market that then crashes, this time people pumped up the entire market.

Re: “A Mild Recession”

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post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Given no reliable alternatives, I don't see an option other than to bet my long term goals on long running trends.

You cherry picked the companies though. Take the index for the top companies in some other country than USA and that investment no longer looks as secure. USA did great the past 100 years, many other countries didn't.

Buy VT instead. If thirty years from now the value of every meaningful company on Earth is inflation adjusted worth less than it is now, bullets and farm land would have been the only viable investment.

Re: “A Mild Recession”

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I actually feel really prepared for this one. 2007 made me nervous, but not this one. I feel secure in my employment and I finally have a real emergency fund even if I lose my job. I'm not optimistic about long term though. The infinite growth delusion seems like it will break in my lifetime, retirement is scary

Too young to understand what happened in the 2008 GFC but I doubt the 'feeling prepared' part works like this. First of all, the recessions tend to last longer than most people expect/plan for. Statistically, it will turn out their 'secure' jobs will be less 'secure' than expected. Meanwhile their emergency funds will start shrinking (slowly at first, then all at once) due to loss of purchasing power & eventual job l…

This seems too pessimistic without knowing specifics about the original commenter’s situation.

I have no debt, a fully paid off house, and plenty of cash which has left me feeling confident about any upcoming recession.

Could I get fired from my well-paying job tomorrow, the recession lasts for 5 years, and the food supply runs out so we all starve to death? Sure, but it’s probably not worth calling out.

I was in college during the 2008 recession and fully supporting myself. I was able to get by with less than I have now because I didn’t have a ton of debt.

Re: “A Mild Recession”

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I actually feel really prepared for this one. 2007 made me nervous, but not this one. I feel secure in my employment and I finally have a real emergency fund even if I lose my job. I'm not optimistic about long term though. The infinite growth delusion seems like it will break in my lifetime, retirement is scary

Infinite growth forever is a truism that isn't very useful.

Growth can continue indefinitely, but we will hit limiting factors relating to how we structured our economy.

Re: “A Mild Recession”

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I actually feel really prepared for this one. 2007 made me nervous, but not this one. I feel secure in my employment and I finally have a real emergency fund even if I lose my job. I'm not optimistic about long term though. The infinite growth delusion seems like it will break in my lifetime, retirement is scary

thats why if you have reserve funds they need to not be in us banks, they can close down and go out of business in a recession.

Take physical wealth and move somewhere else if a really bad one happens.

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