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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Post by mihaic »

hef19898 wrote: post #85
mihaic wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've actually become a bit of a dick in these situations since a trip to Italy, and every time I see a large camera in a public place I walk in front of it on purpose. I'm a naturally nice guy, but these people were making my vacation less enjoyable for no reason, and I felt an instinctive urge to ruin their experience as well.

There is a difference between the social.media selfie photographers and those people trying to take nice pictures of beautiful places. A big camera usually points at tue latter, phones and lighting and whatnot at the former.

I get that they might be professionals with possibly a good amount of skill, but even then what gives them the right to make any tourist attraction a lot less enjoyable?

Museums are usually closed on Mondays, why not make "photographer Tuesday" a thing for instance?

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Post by Zachsa999 »

jodrellblank wrote: post #107
highwaylights wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to tar an entire generation with the same brush, but I have noticed that younger people seem to be really taken in with these very shallow like-farming operations on YouTube and TikTok. Mr Beast is incredibly successful at this, in that his stunts produce massive numbers for very little outlay. A friend's kid in his teens was telling me about how he's the most generous person he's ever seen and it make m…

> " I really don't want to be that guy and wade into it with a "well, actually". " Be that guy; what's your criticism about Mr Beast's generosity? He does a lot of content which could be fake; like giving his friends $20,000, but ones which look more serious and genuine and costly include: - Opened a "free bank" where he loaned money into six figures to local people, then surprise! it's not a loan, they can keep it:…

This is important because Mr Beast doesn't actually spend a lot of time self aggrandising. He approaches philanthropy similarly to how many ultra wealthy people do; giving in public, only he makes more from it.

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Post by erybodyknows »

phpisthebest wrote: post #93
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #89

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It's really a shame people turned virtue signaling into a dirty world that can't be used in civil discussion. It is a great descriptor for all sorts of human behavior in all sorts of contexts. Edit: y'all are kind of proving my first point.

I am not aware of a context where virtue signaling would be a good practice or behavior.

Virtue can be practiced and even observed without being signalled.

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Post by maest »

slillibri wrote: post #104
Graffur wrote: post #73

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What is your opinion on Mr Beast? I just watched a video of his for the first time and he gave away over $500,000.

Mr Beast is a game show host. He’s not giving away his own money yet everything is framed as the giant act of generosity on his part. He’s giving away money much like Bob Barker gave away kitchen sets.

Honest question - how does he fund these giveaways?

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Post by that_guy_iain »

yoda97 wrote: post #77

It's funny that I have never seen a negative review of that video on the internet until the woman spoke up, shows you how fake most people are.

Different audiences have different opinions. Most of the places you would have seen the video were places where it was being upvoted and liked. So everyone was positive and those that weren't were downvoted and drowned out. This is something that isn't positive so all the negative opinions are here and positive opinions will probably be drowned out.

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Post by protonbob »

curiousgal wrote: post #79
jonnycomputer wrote: post #57

I sort of feel compelled to quote the Bible here, though I'm not religious. "So when you give to the needy, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do ... to be honored by men. Truly I tell you, they already have their full reward. But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father, who sees what is done in s…

The corresponding Qur'an verse (because they're all faces of the same coin): " To give charity publicly is good, but to give to the poor privately is better for you, and will absolve you of your sins. And Allah is All-Aware of what you do. " Al-Baqarah 272

I don't think that the bible says that giving to the poor will absolve you of your sins. So maybe not the same coin.

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Post by powerhour »

dchftcs wrote: post #108

While I don't like what happened to her, we should call it for what it is and not more. The filmer was a jerk and she had to right to not be disturbed or filmed. "Dehumanised" is a bit too far.

Turning someone into a prop for your entertainment and profit without permission seems like a dictionary definition of dehumanizing.

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Post by WesleyJohnson »

Graffur wrote: post #73
highwaylights wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to tar an entire generation with the same brush, but I have noticed that younger people seem to be really taken in with these very shallow like-farming operations on YouTube and TikTok. Mr Beast is incredibly successful at this, in that his stunts produce massive numbers for very little outlay. A friend's kid in his teens was telling me about how he's the most generous person he's ever seen and it make m…

What is your opinion on Mr Beast? I just watched a video of his for the first time and he gave away over $500,000.

Mr. Beast's driving motivation, as he's stated many times in interviews, is to make the best YouTube videos he can. He spends millions on his videos these days, all in an effort to outdo the previous one and provide the best content he can. So while he certainly does give away money in some of his videos, he films it in order to make money while doing it. I don't doubt that he's some level of generous, but his motivations are not solely benevolent.

His first viral "giveaway" video was him giving a homeless person $10,000. That wasn't his money. He got a company to invest in him by giving him the money to donate (while filming it) and promised them a return on their money. It's been a business venture from the outset.

That said, it doesn't really bother me. If he makes $1m dollars giving away $500k, so be it. He reinvests that money back into his business, that employs many, many people and sometime finds its way back to those in need. He's not inherently rich, he needs to make money to donate it and his means of making that money is sometimes exploiting the very act for likes, clicks and ad revenue.

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Post by RugnirViking »

phpisthebest wrote: post #78
nonrandomstring wrote: post #40

The reason this act breaks a moral boundary is that it subverts a principle of "ends" [1]. A genuine random act of kindness cannot occur if it's being filmed. Filming the act turns it into a virtue display. It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ends

Social Media has largely exposed the levels of narcissism embedded in a large number of human's psychological makeup , Selfies, clout chasing and virtue signalling are ever increasing forms of narcissism that really has destroyed the internet IMO

it takes what is a useful social response (I had better be kind, so other people physically present don't shun me) into a twisted spectacle (I must show me being kind to as many people as possible and in the internet I have the means to do it)
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