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Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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I feel for this women. It is not right to do something like that without her consent. Then again I wonder: Is this a new phenomenon? Weren’t these kind of jokes normal for certain TV shows? And now they have made their way into social media?

AFAIK the "candid camera"-like TV shows would approach the people afterwards and ask for permission to use the footage. They probably did it only because otherwise they'd get sued into oblivion.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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post #47

I feel for this women. It is not right to do something like that without her consent. Then again I wonder: Is this a new phenomenon? Weren’t these kind of jokes normal for certain TV shows? And now they have made their way into social media?

But there is a difference: There were only so many "street comedy" shows, but there is a way bigger pool of potential social media content creators.

And, at least here in Germany, they always got permission after the bit and either did not send it if permission was refused or at least blurred the face. Ain't so for social media comedians. :/

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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post #35

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It's funny how these videos say they're intended to spread love and encourage random acts of kindness, but the actual effect of them is decreasing trust in strangers (that they might be filming us for their tiktok). This makes me not trust anyone that goes up to me in the street.

I would like to ask this tiktok guy how often he does his random acts of kindness without the camera rolling...

His spokespeople will be happy to answer that question for him.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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The reason this act breaks a moral boundary is that it subverts a principle of "ends" [1]. A genuine random act of kindness cannot occur if it's being filmed. Filming the act turns it into a virtue display. It also turns the subject into an object of utility, a means and not and end in themself. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Ends

Isn't a limitation of Kant's view that intention is all that matters? In other words, neither context or outcome change the morality of the action?

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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post #51

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I dunno I disagree. Something can be kind and filmed. The issue here is how it plays out the person gifted isn’t more than a prop.

I think the wikipedia article from OP makes a strong point that you may have missed. Notice the wording "ENDS" That would modify your statement as follows : Something can be kind and filmed (provided.. ENDS). OR restating your sentence: "Something can be kind and filmed provided filming was not the goal of the kindness, and in fact filming was entirely unintended and unexpected"

I agree much more with your wording of the idea, though I still believe 100% it's possible to do something kind with the intention of filming it. If someone wants to donate a million dollars to me they're welcome to film it on a million cameras if they want

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I dunno I disagree. Something can be kind and filmed. The issue here is how it plays out the person gifted isn’t more than a prop.

I think the wikipedia article from OP makes a strong point that you may have missed. Notice the wording "ENDS" That would modify your statement as follows : Something can be kind and filmed (provided.. ENDS). OR restating your sentence: "Something can be kind and filmed provided filming was not the goal of the kindness, and in fact filming was entirely unintended and unexpected"

Yes I think that’s reasonable.

Re: Woman ‘dehumanised’ by viral TikTok filmed without her consent

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The irony is it that shows the exact opposite of love and compassion. Self-aggrandizement and no regard for others, motivated only by the needs of self, and didn't even spend an extra second with her beyond what was required to execute this vapid stunt.

I don't want to tar an entire generation with the same brush, but I have noticed that younger people seem to be really taken in with these very shallow like-farming operations on YouTube and TikTok. Mr Beast is incredibly successful at this, in that his stunts produce massive numbers for very little outlay. A friend's kid in his teens was telling me about how he's the most generous person he's ever seen and it make m…

This has also decreased the quality of content online in general since everything appears to be optimized for idiots with a 5-second attention span.

Whether it’s TikTok videos with that awful TTS voiceover reading the caption (I can read it myself, thanks) or YouTube videos that now always start with a ~5 seconds extract which spoils the entire video, or gaming videos with insufferable personalities. Oh and don’t forget to subscribe and hit the notification bell!

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