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Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by usrn »

bearmode wrote: post #59
mise_en_place wrote: post #35

It's crazy how much power government bureaucrats have. They can instantly ruin someone's life if they want to. They're unelected and leech off of the taxpayer as well. Our government should be run like a public, for-profit corporation, with each taxpayer as shareholder.

It's honestly mad that people still believe governments should be run like for-profit corporations. Like, properly insane.

They find divisions between us that won't be reconciled, then tell us they'll deal with the people we don't like. Democracy has pathologies that people don't appreciate, especially at a national level.

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by sophacles »

mise_en_place wrote: post #35

It's crazy how much power government bureaucrats have. They can instantly ruin someone's life if they want to. They're unelected and leech off of the taxpayer as well. Our government should be run like a public, for-profit corporation, with each taxpayer as shareholder.

Genius! I wonder how that would look....

Perhaps we should model it after insurance companies. Those guys are great at ruining peoples lives on a whim. And no one has ever once complained about insurance paperwork (at least in your fantasy land this is true i bet).

Or maybe we should model it after agricultural giants. Monsanto would be a good model, they've never done anything to hurt millions of people nor have they ever converided up any evidence that they intentionally ignored the issues their products could cause.

Perhaps you're thinking more in the tech space - this is HN after all. Facebook could serve as inspiration - the idea that they would push propaganda and surveil you in ways that the government wouldn't even think of is just nonsense right?

To prevent leeching we could hire the best hedge fund managers like bernie madoff and the best financial architects out there - accenture (formerly arthur anderson).

Point being, structuring things like a corporation does exactly what? Sure accuse me of cherry-picking but I have backups and backup-backup examples for each one I've named.

So anyway - for your amazing idea, please tell me how:

* this company would make money?

* one share per person == one vote per person, so how does that change things?

* do you handle citizenship changes? A buyback?

* do you handle new people being born? Dilute my shares?

* does this reduce absurd policies from idiots at the top?

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by sophacles »

georgeplusplus wrote: post #48
shreyshnaccount wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

yes because corporates are pillars of freedom, security and honesty right?

They can go out of business at least and not be a burden to the public anymore. I think the point of the comment was there would be some accountability being for-profit or at least a metric that the bureaucracy is performing correctly. I dont agree with this notion but I wont resort to attacking him like a rabid dog for suggesting such a thing like all the responses seem to do.

People calling out the poster for presenting an ill thought out, old and long debunked idea is "attacking like a rabid dog"?

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by paulnpace »

superb-owl wrote: post #5

If you're going to illegally leak sensitive information, give it to journalists, not WikiLeaks. Good journalists know how to balance public safety and public interest, and have the resources to redact dangerous information. WikiLeaks is much more anarchic and leans heavily towards total disclosure.

I find True Scotsman to be an unhealthy outlook on the universe.

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

Arainach wrote: post #37
mise_en_place wrote: post #35

It's crazy how much power government bureaucrats have. They can instantly ruin someone's life if they want to. They're unelected and leech off of the taxpayer as well. Our government should be run like a public, for-profit corporation, with each taxpayer as shareholder.

The government is not a corporation. It most certainly should not be driven by profit. It exists to deliver value and do things that no private corporation would do, and to be a check on corporate power.

> It most certainly should not be driven by profit.

Stop right there, because it currently is.

Where do we go from here, is the question?

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by mrcheesebreeze »

mise_en_place wrote: post #35

It's crazy how much power government bureaucrats have. They can instantly ruin someone's life if they want to. They're unelected and leech off of the taxpayer as well. Our government should be run like a public, for-profit corporation, with each taxpayer as shareholder.

thats why I often say real democracy and republics stop existing shortly after creation.

They always descend into some sort of plutocracy where you can buy politicians loyalty or a dictatorship.

for example: america - plutocracy, russia - dictatorship

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by CryptoBanker »

aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #66
Arainach wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The government is not a corporation. It most certainly should not be driven by profit. It exists to deliver value and do things that no private corporation would do, and to be a check on corporate power.

> It most certainly should not be driven by profit. Stop right there, because it currently is. Where do we go from here, is the question?

Ah yes, the super profitable US government that still finds itself trillions of dollars in debt

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by IYasha »

Half way thru the article I feel confused. How can hi-grade IT specialist make so many ridiculous mistakes building up his own safety measures? I mean, when you put your bluetooth pin-pass on a sticker at home is one thing, but when you deal with THIS - ... hardly believable.

Re: Ex-CIA coder behind WikiLeaks ‘Vault 7’ cache found guilty of espionage

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Post by aaaaaaaaata »

CryptoBanker wrote: post #68
aaaaaaaaata wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It most certainly should not be driven by profit. Stop right there, because it currently is. Where do we go from here, is the question?

Ah yes, the super profitable US government that still finds itself trillions of dollars in debt

> Ah yes, the super profitable US government that still finds itself trillions of dollars in debt

Can't believe I have to spell this out, but am happy to — it's the individuals making it up who are benefitting...obviously the organization has not been benefiting/improving from good leadership for some time.

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