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Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Is this an average for newly signed rent, or for the average one already paid now? If former, it looks incredibly low. I mean, this is what you pay for an above-average (but not posh) place in East Europe capitals, and for pretty much average ones in old European cities like Paris or Munich.

Maybe we have different definitions of posh, but 5k gets you very far in East Europe capitals. That’s a lot of money that can get you 6+ bedroom villas in downtown Bucharest.

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#32

I’ve had this thought floating around in my head for a while, and it seems wrong, but I’m not completely sure why. I’m hoping someone more knowledgeable might be able to set me straight. Prices on the coasts — like 5k rent — are astronomically high compared to prices in, say, the midwest. This shocks many people. You could easily make the same comparison between the midwest and some non-developed nation. The differen…

I think the best comparison would be to other developed countries with strong economic growth

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

#34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Per month?

Obviously. But because price change is so small over so many years, i am inclined to think it's average of existing contracts, not of newly signed ones, and vast majority are regulated rentals signed 30-50 years ago, that are super low maybe 1000-2000 per month, and drive down the average.

What ? Your numbers sound 2x above what I'm seeing casually browsing ads. Or you have super inflated expectations of what's "above average but not posh" - like penthouses with views and things.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

#36
Housing and land is a non-transable good, and therefore there should be heavy state intervention on it, preferably by doing the same as Vienna, which is holding >40% of the renting stock and charging according to income, and renting to a representative distribution of tenants so to prevent guettos.

Rent is the main detractor of disposable income which hurts the rest of the economy, and property owners provide almost no value, but to provide access to housing for people who has no capital for it, which is service that could be perfectly provided by a state entity.

The current setup creates guettos by default, by siloing people with different monetary and social capital into different building and areas, hurting social mobility, which could be improved by the setup described above. Many attempts at public housing failed because they just tried to provide housing for low-income people in separated and/or undesirable areas, with a predictable outcome.

CMV

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

#37

I’ve had this thought floating around in my head for a while, and it seems wrong, but I’m not completely sure why. I’m hoping someone more knowledgeable might be able to set me straight. Prices on the coasts — like 5k rent — are astronomically high compared to prices in, say, the midwest. This shocks many people. You could easily make the same comparison between the midwest and some non-developed nation. The differen…

> You could easily make the same comparison between the midwest and some non-developed nation. The difference is, nobody is shocked about how prices are higher in the USA midwest compared to an arbitrary less-developed country. Why is that exactly?

Because there's no freedom of movement, legal or cultural, between the midwest and the large coastal US cities.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

#38
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> The big picture: This points to a conundrum. The Fed is raising rates to cool inflation. But rate hikes are driving higher rents, which are fueling inflation. Why everyone and their dog says Fed is raising rates, when Fed just barely raised rates. Year over year inflation is 9.3% and Fed interest rate is only 1.5%, while it should be 2% points over inflation.

this is bullshit. big time

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

#39

I’ve had this thought floating around in my head for a while, and it seems wrong, but I’m not completely sure why. I’m hoping someone more knowledgeable might be able to set me straight. Prices on the coasts — like 5k rent — are astronomically high compared to prices in, say, the midwest. This shocks many people. You could easily make the same comparison between the midwest and some non-developed nation. The differen…

I think the comparison with other places makes no sense if you compare nominal prices. What I think you have to compare is (among other things) how much of your salary you spend on rent. Yeah, a non-developed nation you may get a 3 room apartment for 400 USD - but your salary may be not higher than 1k USD per month.

If the average salary in Manhattan would be 300k per year I think no one would care. But it is not.

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