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Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Is this an average for newly signed rent, or for the average one already paid now? If former, it looks incredibly low. I mean, this is what you pay for an above-average (but not posh) place in East Europe capitals, and for pretty much average ones in old European cities like Paris or Munich.

For a 1-2 bedroom apartment ?

Those prices would mean a software engineer in Europe would not even have money for rent after paying taxes, much less anything else.

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post #2

Is this an average for newly signed rent, or for the average one already paid now? If former, it looks incredibly low. I mean, this is what you pay for an above-average (but not posh) place in East Europe capitals, and for pretty much average ones in old European cities like Paris or Munich.

You probably are talking about yearly amount, not monthly.

In Warsaw you would get top tier places with private pool and cleaning service for no more than 2500 USD per month.

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I’ve had this thought floating around in my head for a while, and it seems wrong, but I’m not completely sure why. I’m hoping someone more knowledgeable might be able to set me straight.

Prices on the coasts — like 5k rent — are astronomically high compared to prices in, say, the midwest. This shocks many people.

You could easily make the same comparison between the midwest and some non-developed nation. The difference is, nobody is shocked about how prices are higher in the USA midwest compared to an arbitrary less-developed country. Why is that exactly?

I loathe these insane prices, but my question is: could it be reasonable to view these high prices as a /good/ thing, as a sign of development?

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post #2

Is this an average for newly signed rent, or for the average one already paid now? If former, it looks incredibly low. I mean, this is what you pay for an above-average (but not posh) place in East Europe capitals, and for pretty much average ones in old European cities like Paris or Munich.

Per month?

Obviously. But because price change is so small over so many years, i am inclined to think it's average of existing contracts, not of newly signed ones, and vast majority are regulated rentals signed 30-50 years ago, that are super low maybe 1000-2000 per month, and drive down the average.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Averages are skewed. Still. To meet the requirement of many landlords to earn in excess of 3x rent, one would have to earn 15k a month after tax, or 180k a year after tax. To earn 180k after tax in NY, you need to earn 300k pre tax. Your Income Taxes Breakdown Tax / Marginal Tax Rate / Effective Tax Rate / 2021 Taxes* / Federal 35.00% / 25.05% / $75,152 FICA / 2.35% / 4.70% / $14,104 State / 6.85% / 6.12% / $18,356 L…

Those are mostly corporate landlords in large buildings. Many smaller landlords don’t have such stringent requirements. Source: rented and invested in NYC apartments for more than 20 years.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

These ratios are generally applied against gross (pre-tax) income.

That's the point? That's what I did using a calculator: https://smartasset.com/taxes/new-york-tax-calculator

No. The ratio is pre-tax, not post-tax.

> To meet the requirement of many landlords to earn in excess of 3x rent, one would have to earn 15k a month after tax, or 180k a year after tax. To earn 180k after tax in NY, you need to earn 300k pre tax.

The ratio is on pre-tax income. To pay $60K/yr in rent, you need 3x that in pre-tax income, or $180K/yr pre-tax. To earn $180K/yr pre-tax, you have to earn $180K/yr pre-tax, no calculator needed.

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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post #2

Is this an average for newly signed rent, or for the average one already paid now? If former, it looks incredibly low. I mean, this is what you pay for an above-average (but not posh) place in East Europe capitals, and for pretty much average ones in old European cities like Paris or Munich.

What? $5k a month is absolutely not something you pay for an above average place in east European capitals, nor in old European cities. Check e.g. https://www.expats.cz/praguerealestate/apartments/for-rent for a pretty expensive central european capital - around 20k CZK for studios, or 800 euros/usd. There are only 16 out of 1042 properties at over 120k CZK (~5k eur/usd), and they're huge (around 200m^2 and central).

Re: Manhattan rents cross $5k threshold for first time

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Is this an average for newly signed rent, or for the average one already paid now? If former, it looks incredibly low. I mean, this is what you pay for an above-average (but not posh) place in East Europe capitals, and for pretty much average ones in old European cities like Paris or Munich.

From the article:

> If those numbers seem low — after all there are headlines about 40% rent increases — it's because the CPI measure includes renewal rents, the price you pay when you renew your lease.

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