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Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by supertofu » Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 8:58 PM UTC

v4dok wrote: post #27

jamal-kumar wrote: post #20

Just reposting my original comment which may have inspired this post a few days ago for the links: I had really bad IBS from consuming water on a tropical island in Panama one time and suffered for a few years with even my doctor friend telling me "Damn that sucks, not much you can do except manage". Pretty horrible symptoms until I discovered L. Reuteri. [1] I read that it's been a bacteria that was more commonly fo…

There was once a research group in a university that found a specific diet helping/curing crohn's. However a food/health conglomerate with a product in the market for the disease paid the professor to shelf the research and it never saw the light of day. Speaking with one of the researchers he keeps telling me that food diversity and gut microbiome are extremely important for all shorts of things. So your comment doe…

Well... what was the diet? I have UC. I've found that the less I eat, the better my symptoms are, but I can't eat exclusively protein smoothies and kimchi forever.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by supertofu » Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 9:01 PM UTC

parhamn wrote: post #77

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #13

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That’s why Visbiome ships in insulated packaging with ice packs. There’s even a color indicator that turns red if the contents exceed a temperature during shipping (and refunds are granted if this indicator is red when it receive the product). You then store in the freezer. Unfortunately, the product does not contain L. Reuteri.

Have you used it? Are you satisfied?

I used it for six months. I have UC. It did not help my symptoms one bit, ufortunately. I heard they changed the formula :/

Nowadays I just eat kimchi and kraut and hope for the best.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by supertofu » Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 9:05 PM UTC

Luc wrote: post #47

jamal-kumar wrote: post #20

Just reposting my original comment which may have inspired this post a few days ago for the links: I had really bad IBS from consuming water on a tropical island in Panama one time and suffered for a few years with even my doctor friend telling me "Damn that sucks, not much you can do except manage". Pretty horrible symptoms until I discovered L. Reuteri. [1] I read that it's been a bacteria that was more commonly fo…

Thank you for your post. I bought the product you used and had my first tablet 10 minutes ago. https://www.biogaia.com/product-country/biogaia-protectis-ch... One thing that might interest people on the FODMAP diet is that the first ingredients on the list are isomalt (probably ok) and xylitol (an artificial sweetener). Hopefully the amounts are small enough not to trigger symptoms. There's also 'Bacilac Femina' whic…

It seems outrageous that a probiotic should contain xylitol, which is often catastrophic for people with IBD/IBS. Can anyone recommend a probiotic without sweetener or filler?

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by blacksmith_tb » Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 9:47 PM UTC

Luc wrote: post #78

blacksmith_tb wrote: post #73

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Xylitol isn't 'artificial'[1] (but it is bad for dogs). In small amounts I would be surprised if it would affect anyone negatively, I often have 5-10g in my oats, but all the sugar alcohols make your guts unhappy in large doses (I find erythritol is the worst, but sorbitol from pears is famous for doing that to babies). 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xylitol#Structure,_production,...

Perhaps 'less digestible sweetener' would be a better way of putting it. It's a shame you don't believe it would affect people with chronic digestive issues.

I'm sure plenty of my beliefs are shameful, this one seems pretty mild by comparison... but clearly anyone who's worried about eating them should start small, and discontinue if they react badly?

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by XorNot » Wed, Jul 13, 2022, 11:20 PM UTC

v4dok wrote: post #71

XorNot wrote: post #52

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Why is the parent comment not being downvoted to oblivion? It is making specific, deterministic claims and providing absolutely no sources whatsoever. How does the OP know? Which university was it? Which research group? If "a research group" "found something worked" then there would be a trail of research papers leading up to whatever the patentable invention is. This anecdote is a complete fabrication : events like…

1. I don't win anything by accusing a conglomerate with names on the internet. I don't mind being downvoted "to oblivion". I think I haven't because anyone interacting with such organisations imagines that this is not conspiracy, its business 2. I want to clarify that the company didn't say "we pay you X to keep it unpublished" they said "Oh thats interesting, we want to buy it to develop something based on it" and t…

"Oh thats interesting, we want to buy it to develop something based on it"

But it's a diet. There's nothing to sell with a diet, so again, what are you talking about?

But you know what let's run with this for a moment because it comes up a lot: you know what happens when a research group has an exciting new X, sells the patent on it and then nothing appears to happen? It doesn't actually work.

This story comes up a lot and frankly, HN should realise it: products are hard, hardware is even harder, try doing bio-anything even more so

There's not a conspiracy, which you are still trying to push with your comments here, the answer is just that it turns out not to work that well. Or that "revolutionary" actually means "minor overall improvement we generally expect from the market".

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by bawolff » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 1:25 AM UTC

sohkamyung wrote: post #40

bawolff wrote: post #38

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Even in title case? Its not like we would normally capitalize "Human" or "Health" either?

It's Binomial nomenclature [1]. The name should also be in italics, but not sure how that would be enabled in HN headlines. > In modern usage, the first letter of the generic name is always capitalized in writing, while that of the specific epithet is not, even when derived from a proper noun such as the name of a person or place. Similarly, both parts are italicized in normal text (or underlined in handwriting). [1]…

That's kind of irrelavent though. Its capitalized because its in a title like any other word that would not normally be capitalized.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by adrianN » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 4:32 AM UTC

BizarroLand wrote: post #74

adrianN wrote: post #46

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Even for actors that I personally believe to be evil, I like to have more evidence than "there is this dude who was paid not to published, trust me".

I would say that Big Food hiring food scientists to specifically tune the flavor profile of mass manufactured foods to never trigger satiation so that people would not stop eating them even when they are mechanically full is pretty evil. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/food-cravings-engineered-by-i... Add in that most food doesn't taste like real food anymore and is engineered to make us crave more: https://www.vox.co…

Okay, but what has that to do with Big X suppressing a diet that cures Crohn's disease?

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by v4dok » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 8:52 AM UTC

XorNot wrote: post #85

v4dok wrote: post #71

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1. I don't win anything by accusing a conglomerate with names on the internet. I don't mind being downvoted "to oblivion". I think I haven't because anyone interacting with such organisations imagines that this is not conspiracy, its business 2. I want to clarify that the company didn't say "we pay you X to keep it unpublished" they said "Oh thats interesting, we want to buy it to develop something based on it" and t…

"Oh thats interesting, we want to buy it to develop something based on it" But it's a diet. There's nothing to sell with a diet, so again, what are you talking about? But you know what let's run with this for a moment because it comes up a lot: you know what happens when a research group has an exciting new X, sells the patent on it and then nothing appears to happen? It doesn't actually work. This story comes up a l…

I appreciate your scepticism. I would probably do the same. Unfortunately I can't provide more information because its second-hand story and I just trust this person. Hence I did not verify everything they said. I do not know what kind of product they could develop from a diet (or if they ever wanted to). I know they had a product out for this and its an obvious conflict of interest.

I am not pushing any conspiracy here, my main points here was that gut microbiome is cutting edge research, and its actually a multi-disciplinary one since most nutritionists don't know a lot about the gut, and most gut doctors don't know a lot about nutrition (at least where I live). IBD is a prime candidate that I know of (but unfortunately I don't have a paper about it, because of whatever conspiracy or corporate greed reason) that can be helped with nutrition. But i've seen papers around talking about mental effects of the gut health too.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by v4dok » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 8:58 AM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #87

BizarroLand wrote: post #74

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I would say that Big Food hiring food scientists to specifically tune the flavor profile of mass manufactured foods to never trigger satiation so that people would not stop eating them even when they are mechanically full is pretty evil. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/food-cravings-engineered-by-i... Add in that most food doesn't taste like real food anymore and is engineered to make us crave more: https://www.vox.co…

Okay, but what has that to do with Big X suppressing a diet that cures Crohn's disease?

Sometimes the need to "win" an argument can come second. The story here is about corporate greed. I can easily imagine a team meeting where someone brought up the research and people knew it might hurt sales even if it turns out that its not replicable or anything. No one probably said "lets buy it out so people won't be cured", I assume it was an innovation manager pitching "we can make a new supplements formula based on the nutritional value of this diet". Business people agreed, knowing its a win-win. Next agenda item.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by scns » Thu, Jul 14, 2022, 10:03 AM UTC

xtracto wrote: post #70

prirun wrote: post #64

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Yogurt is easy to make in an ordinary pan too: 1. Turn your oven light on 2. Heat milk to 180F (I heat on Hi to 165F while stirring then turn it down), hold it there for 10 mins. Shoot for 180F but it's not a big deal if it goes to 190F. 3. Cool while stirring in a sink of water to 110F, take it out of the sink. 4. Stir in your starter. I use a popular probiotic on Amazon: open 3 capsules for half gallon of yogurt 5.…

I´ve been making my non-dairy yoghurt (I'm allergic to Casein) for some time. One recommendation I always emphasize is that the first batch of yogurt you make with probiotics direct from the capsules will be "just ok". You should reuse some of the yogurt from the previous batch as a "starter" for a new batch. Once you do this for 3 or 4 times, the consistency of the yogurt improves considerably.

Whatdo you use instead of milk?