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Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by boffinAudio »

pjc50 wrote: post #34
boffinAudio wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It wouldn't be the first time Big Pharma did something harmful to society in order to protect its profit margins. You don't seriously think there is a moral stance that leads one to conclude Big Pharma is benevolent and always looking out for humanity?

The key word here is "substantiation" aka "evidence".

No, the key word here, is: trust. You have more of it than you should for Big Pharma, given that that the facts of historical precedent, combined with the economics of addiction that are clearly exploited by the industry, do not support such subservient trust.

Have you never thought about the Pusher and Junkie relationship, at industrial scale? Because that is what Big Pharma is all about.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by XorNot »

v4dok wrote: post #27
jamal-kumar wrote: post #20

Just reposting my original comment which may have inspired this post a few days ago for the links: I had really bad IBS from consuming water on a tropical island in Panama one time and suffered for a few years with even my doctor friend telling me "Damn that sucks, not much you can do except manage". Pretty horrible symptoms until I discovered L. Reuteri. [1] I read that it's been a bacteria that was more commonly fo…

There was once a research group in a university that found a specific diet helping/curing crohn's. However a food/health conglomerate with a product in the market for the disease paid the professor to shelf the research and it never saw the light of day. Speaking with one of the researchers he keeps telling me that food diversity and gut microbiome are extremely important for all shorts of things. So your comment doe…

Why is the parent comment not being downvoted to oblivion? It is making specific, deterministic claims and providing absolutely no sources whatsoever.

How does the OP know? Which university was it? Which research group? If "a research group" "found something worked" then there would be a trail of research papers leading up to whatever the patentable invention is.

This anecdote is a complete fabrication: events like this plain do not happen and shouldn't pass the snifftest for anyone: "a professor was paid off" - oh okay, well what about his graduate students? Honors students?

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by pjc50 »

boffinAudio wrote: post #51
pjc50 wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The key word here is "substantiation" aka "evidence".

No, the key word here, is: trust. You have more of it than you should for Big Pharma, given that that the facts of historical precedent, combined with the economics of addiction that are clearly exploited by the industry, do not support such subservient trust. Have you never thought about the Pusher and Junkie relationship, at industrial scale? Because that is what Big Pharma is all about .

I am familiar with the Oxycontin drug pushing scandal. However, that doesn't automatically mean I'm going to start trusting unsourced internet comments; that way lies ivermectin madness.

Basically https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32080840 : "some guy" is not good enough.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by dade_ »

So eat fermented food. Brine pickles, olives, and sauerkraut, but not their vinegar-based counterparts which are usually sold in grocery stores. I suspect this use of vinegar could be causing us a great deal of problems.

I also see a list that includes sourdough bread, wine, beer, certain cured meats, kimchi, kombucha tea, miso soup.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by darkteflon »

g_log wrote: post #24
jamal-kumar wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi OP of the comment here. I linked a bunch of studies as well as providing my own anecdotal evidence that this stuff worked well enough that I had IBS symptoms reversed by taking this probiotic. My friends who I have introduced this to really like it, too. I'm actually super interested in learning how to make yogurt with it now to help people I know who may be suffering out some. I hear that's a really easy way to m…

+1 on making the yogurt. I have been making L. reuteri yogurt (or fermented milk, technically) for a few months. I started with some BioGaia Gastrus tablets in batch 1 and now just use a tablespoon or two of batch n - 1. I recommend getting a sous vide device for precise temperature control. Initially, I used a the "Yogurt" function on an Instant Pot pressure cooker and about half of the batches failed, separating in…

Would you mind sketching out your recipe?

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by boffinAudio »

pjc50 wrote: post #53
boffinAudio wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the key word here, is: trust. You have more of it than you should for Big Pharma, given that that the facts of historical precedent, combined with the economics of addiction that are clearly exploited by the industry, do not support such subservient trust. Have you never thought about the Pusher and Junkie relationship, at industrial scale? Because that is what Big Pharma is all about .

I am familiar with the Oxycontin drug pushing scandal. However, that doesn't automatically mean I'm going to start trusting unsourced internet comments; that way lies ivermectin madness. Basically https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32080840 : "some guy" is not good enough.

Yeah, the situation is far worse than the Oxycontin scandal alone, which is really just the tip of the iceberg and is not an outlier situation with this industry:

> American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. (hereinafter together "Pfizer") have agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products, the Justice Department announced today.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-...

You should start being a lot, lot more suspicious of claims made by Big Pharma, and start holding them actually accountable for their very real crimes. Anything less is complicity with an industry well-known for exploiting the pusher/junkie equation.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by candiddevmike »

folli wrote: post #28
joe-collins wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Breast milk is not sterile. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2643565/

That's hotly debated. Even the study you cite cannot rule out skin contamination. But unequivocally showing the existence of entero-mammary pathway (translocation of maternal gut bacteria from the gut to the mammary glands) would be very exciting news indeed.

You can get HIV from breast milk, it's not sterile.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by daneel_w »

XorNot wrote: post #52
v4dok wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was once a research group in a university that found a specific diet helping/curing crohn's. However a food/health conglomerate with a product in the market for the disease paid the professor to shelf the research and it never saw the light of day. Speaking with one of the researchers he keeps telling me that food diversity and gut microbiome are extremely important for all shorts of things. So your comment doe…

Why is the parent comment not being downvoted to oblivion? It is making specific, deterministic claims and providing absolutely no sources whatsoever. How does the OP know? Which university was it? Which research group? If "a research group" "found something worked" then there would be a trail of research papers leading up to whatever the patentable invention is. This anecdote is a complete fabrication : events like…

Why must we "downvote it to oblivion" just because the comment doesn't provide the particular info you want? I'd like more info, too, but I'm OK with just leaving the comment as it is instead of throwing a polemic fit over it.

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by g_log »

darkteflon wrote: post #55
g_log wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

+1 on making the yogurt. I have been making L. reuteri yogurt (or fermented milk, technically) for a few months. I started with some BioGaia Gastrus tablets in batch 1 and now just use a tablespoon or two of batch n - 1. I recommend getting a sous vide device for precise temperature control. Initially, I used a the "Yogurt" function on an Instant Pot pressure cooker and about half of the batches failed, separating in…

Would you mind sketching out your recipe?

I started with Dr. Davis' recipe. It's described in his book "Super Gut" and is also available on his website [1]. My current method is a bit simpler:

- I buy full fat milk in a glass bottle so that I can make the yogurt directly inside without having to sterilize another container. I have had more success with UHT milk than pasteurized milk.

- I add two tbsp. (~40g) of my previous batch to one liter of milk. Close lid and shake.

- Put bottle in a pot of water, submerging most of the milk bottle. I leave the lid on, but untightened so that gas can escape.

- I add a sous vide "wand" to the pot and leave it for 24 hours at 38°C (100°F)

I deviate from Dr. Davis' recipe by not adding inulin to the milk and fermenting for a shorter duration. This probably results in fewer bacteria present in the final product, but the above takes me less than 5 minutes to prepare.

[1] https://blog.undoctored.com/lreuteriyogurtstepbystep/

Re: Role of Lactobacillus Reuteri in Human Health and Diseases

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Post by wil421 »

reuteriq wrote: post #11
jimbru wrote: post #2

For anyone interested in L. Reuteri, you can buy it in the U.S. as Gerber probiotic drops ( https://medical.gerber.com/products/supplements/soothe-colic... ). Marketed for babies but obviously works on adults too. Last I checked Gerber had an exclusive license on U.S. distribution of this bacterium—there’s a Swedish company, BioGaia, that IIRC is the original patent holder.

Is it possible to introduce this to the body without buying it specifically? Or put another way, how did people get L. Reuteri without pharmaceutical/supplement companies growing it in labs?

I know lactos are in the environment naturally. When I ferment peppers or other vegetables I lightly rinse them to make sure some bacteria is left. Eating raw fruits and vegetables would certainly pass some bacteria to the gut.
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