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Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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The immediate problem is that the entire legal order of succession (PM, president, Speaker etc) are Rajapaksa cronies who are busily getting the hell out of Dodge^W Colombo, so it's not at all sure who is going to form or lead the next government. There are also a lot of unresolved tensions left over from the vicious civil war that devastated the island for decades, so it's sadly possible that things take a turn for…

Are there any neighboring countries which could reasonably assist in establishing a new government?

India, but the two countries have a very complicated and touchy relationship. Sri Lanka's Tamil minority, including the Tamil Tigers, was heavily supported by Tamils in India. However, Tamil Nadu (the Indian state) itself has a fractious relationship and the Tigers repaid India's attempt to send in peacekeepers by assassinating Indian PM Rajiv Gandhi.

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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It seems weird to me to describe this as a "currency crisis". The post pretty plainly describes an actual crisis: > Production of tea -- Sri Lanka's main cash crop -- fell by 18% in a year. Production of rice -- the main food crop -- fell by even more. The problem isn't the currency.

Sri Lanka's immediate problem is not lack of tea or rice, it's that they're out of money and can't pay for imports of essentials like fuel. In other words, a currency crisis.

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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Perhaps a dumb question: why does every little country need its own currency? Are they all just addicted to printing money? Ignoring the volatility and environmental concerns, why shouldn’t all these small to medium-sized countries standardize on a cryptocurrency?

Sri Lanka doesn’t have a currency problem. There population doubled since 1960 and they never industrialized. They simply don’t make anything to sell that has value other than tourism and natural resources. Trade imbalance has been an issue for decades and they simply hid the problem by taking out loans. They have simply run out of credit. My two cents

Hard to industrialise when you are busy fighting a war on your own soil tbh.

Good chunks of the North are still somewhat off limits and fucking littered with landmines too.

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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> The UK hasn't been able to feed its population from native production only since before WW2. What does this mean though? That the UK does not generate enough calories to meet a certain minimum baseline? That the UK does not generate enough calories to meet the current consumption? That the UK eats things that they do not grow?

The UK has a whole government department to answer your questions: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/united-kingdom-food... Result: The UK grows enough wheat alone to give enough calories to support its population, with plenty to spare. It also produces all the major food groups in quite large quantities. If cut off from the world, the UK people wouldn't starve, but they might have to switch out their caviar f…

> switch out their caviar for something else

Try plastic-wrapped garbage at Co-op and Sainsbury's!

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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Then why did China ask for the Hambantota port[1]. It is a clear strategic and economic policy. Not to deny other countries haven't done that in the past; but it is a clear way of gaining control - especially the taking control over infrastructure part. Same is the case with Africa, and many projects of which do not benefit the citizens of those countries in any way too. [2] [1]: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/25/wo…

The Hambantota case is described in detail in The Atlantic's articl, which explains why it's not a debt trap. For one, the feasibility study for Hambantota was first made by Canada — the Chinese only came in later, competing with western countries for its construction. Second, see this excerpt: > Our research shows that Chinese banks are willing to restructure the terms of existing loans and have never actually seize…

I'm not sure why you're carrying so much water for China, a huge nation that can fend for itself.

China absolutely throws its weight around - just like all the other big nations.

It also blindly pursues its own self-interest again like all the other big nations.

China also isn't a monolith, with companies and individuals making deals or going after projects abroad. Sometimes on win-win terms, sometimes trying to screw a target out of money. Again - just like other nations.

China uses money in diplomacy. That's just a fact. They do so not out of altruism but out of self-interest.

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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Believe me, the organic transition had nothing to do with agricultural practices and all to do with economics, with the logic being that fertilizer was an expensive import, and by banning fertilizer they could hemorrhage foreign exchange reserves a little less. Of course, they also earned a lot less because the bone-headed transition lead to a marked reduction in yield, only worsening the forex problem the ban of agr…

Very honestly, it might have worked out fine - organic produce fetches a much higher price overseas. If its already a somewhat niche product like tea, organic produce might go even higher and make up for the loss in yield. For Sri Lanka, it was the perfect storm of covid decimating tourism AND overseas demand for their produce. Without Covid, they might have been able to stay afloat on tourism dollars until the organ…

> Very honestly, it might have worked out fine - organic produce fetches a much higher price overseas.

This also affected staple crops like rice which are eaten domestically, effectively forcing the country to start importing food instead of fertilizer.

It's not plausible to move the entire agricultural sector towards luxury exports by government fiat.

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The drastic move to organic farming is puzzling. Any level headed person , forget a politician , would want to experiment first, see the results, gauge and then expand selectively. That is common sense . I guess when you are a dictator ish government and you rule the country with an iron first, the institutions of the state stop being anything and simply become rubber stamps. This also underlines the importance of se…

I've been reading a lot of Soviet history lately and it provides a source of a huge number of similar agricultural disasters. Both Russian and Chinese attitudes towards agricultural peasants has been that they are dispensable humans, and it shows in how these countries have had disasters: * collectivitzation leading to the Holodomor in Ukraine, mass famine in Kazakhstan, and hunger throughout the USSR, killing millio…

> , it homes in on agricultural independence as a corner stone for further economic development to industrialization.

Yes. How did Sri Lanka, in Asia, get it so wrong?

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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What is the "take" here? That "global elites" purposefully crashed the economy in Sri Lanka to get people to eat bugs? Or that they are incompetent? Also what does this have to do with what appears to be a climate change denial YouTube channel?

I think if you look at what is happening in the USA today, you will see some parallels. Our president appears to have created a national policy designed to shift us to "green energy" even though we aren't ready. This policy has not been openly declared (unless you count statements made during his campaign), or publicly reviewed for consequences (such as those we are seeing now). Encouraging a "transition" (his word)…

What are you talking about specifically? Overly politically minded people love to say the US president is doing this or that but in reality the president doesn't have all that much control. Even rejecting things like oil leases on natural lands are a) a small proportion of the supply and b) won't have an impact for years because it takes time to drill wells and move oil. The idea that Biden could wave his hand tomorrow and make gas $2/gal or $10/gal on a whim is pure conspiracy-mongering fantasy.

The US has been pushing hard for green energy (and constantly talking about it) for two decades. Congress and states have passed lots of legislation related to it. The Texas wind farms and CA solar industry long pre-date the current president.

For my part I think gas prices are driven more by refineries needing to re-start and re-hire/re-train after the COVID slowdown, plus some amount of market anxiety due to Putin's land grab.

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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There's a premium that can be exacted from switching to organic agriculture that isn't be discussed in this article. Sri Lanka has a limited land mass available for food production and they mostly export commodities to other countries. We're talking ~25,000 sq-mi. For context, the US state of Kansas is ~82,000 sq-mi. If you cannot physically expand the footprint of agriculture in Sri Lanka to boost revenues, the thin…

If you are short on land, organic is not a good approach. It takes 40% more land compared to traditional farming.

Depends what you are growing.

Re: Sri Lanka is having a textbook currency crisis, triggered by policy mistakes

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The drastic move to organic farming is puzzling. Any level headed person , forget a politician , would want to experiment first, see the results, gauge and then expand selectively. That is common sense . I guess when you are a dictator ish government and you rule the country with an iron first, the institutions of the state stop being anything and simply become rubber stamps. This also underlines the importance of se…

Not just a dictatorship problem. Look at the halting of nuclear in Germany - a decision made by Angela Merkel after a bottle of wine with her husband according to The Atlantic. I would argue that the current energy crisis was also partly caused by the ESG drive which while laudable in aspiration got ahead of physical practical implementation capacity.

Merkel is pro nuclear, the public sentiment forced her hand after Fukushima though.
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