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Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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I worry about egg stains on sweatshirts too. Some folks join us with age. Others live life right up to the brim, good for em I say. The world needs all kinds. Reminds me of Cooper's Hill Cheese-Rolling and Wake. It's this race in Gloucester, England. It's been going on since the early 1800s. Folks run down a 45 degree hill for 200 yards to catch a 10 pound rolling cheese wheel. It's as dangerous as it sounds, but fun…

Or we can just install speed bumps/dots on every hilly street and let young people figure out a different way to being needlessly reckless. You're saying "good for em I say" to people who give themselves traumatic brain injuries and kill random innocent people: https://sfist.com/2020/07/20/city-installs-raised-dots-on-do... https://sfist.com/2019/07/20/well-known-skateboarder-tomoko-... If they have some private hill…

So.. public streets aren't for public use? You need to own your own private property to make any use however temporary?

Safety measures are good but this is one of the purposes of public infrastructure; to be used by the public.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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Cars kill a million people every single year. And seriously injure 100x many more. I can't really care about skater safety equipment when we allow cars to exist.

You really need to look at incident rates rather than totals when making comparisons across categories like this. Plus, no one is suggesting banning skateboards, just participating in the sport as safely as possible. There is likewise an ongoing effort to make cars as safe as possible, and indeed they have gotten much safer for both passengers and pedestrians over the years.

curious how cars have become safer for pedestrians? i've anecdotally absorbed the opposite, but maybe i'm a biased bicyclist. Cars have only become increasingly massive; an arms race to "protect your family!" meaning the passengers.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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Skateboarding culture is really stupid about safety gear. If they wore the same stuff longboarders wore when going down big slopes, the sport wouldn’t be nearly as dangerous.

Cars kill a million people every single year. And seriously injure 100x many more. I can't really care about skater safety equipment when we allow cars to exist.

This is a weird take. Should I also not care about rock climbing safety and just free solo because cars are so dangerous?

Skateboarders want to skate board. And if you participate in this activity, put on a helmet.

There’s a good reason old people sound crotchety. We look back at what we used to do and realise how stupid we were. So many risks taken that had no pay off.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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When car tech gets good enough to avoid almost all incidents with people, something drastic is going to happen. Naturally everyone will just step out on the road causing the cars to stop. So either driving through a city will become a situation you avoid if at all possible, or governments install fences and barriers everywhere and make walking without right of way a serious crime.

You can step out on the road and a car with a driver will nearly always stop. They may sound the horn, or open the window and yell at you, as could a passenger in a driverless car.

The average person doesn’t want to rely on “nearly always”. Especially with how many drivers are on their phones.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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Cars kill a million people every single year. And seriously injure 100x many more. I can't really care about skater safety equipment when we allow cars to exist.

You really need to look at incident rates rather than totals when making comparisons across categories like this. Plus, no one is suggesting banning skateboards, just participating in the sport as safely as possible. There is likewise an ongoing effort to make cars as safe as possible, and indeed they have gotten much safer for both passengers and pedestrians over the years.

> You really need to look at incident rates rather than totals when making comparisons across categories like this.

Depends on what you want to figure out. For finding out the comparative danger of an individual doing activity A versus activity B, sure. But if the group doing something exceedingly dangerous is quite small, it might not warrant an intervention as far as public health etc is concerned. Scale matters (sometimes).

On the flip side, you can of course argue that the individuals who just happen to be in proximity of the dangerous activity are being unfairly exposed to risk they haven't consented to (if the activity poses a danger to bystanders, that is). We don't let people do whatever they want just because the people it affects are few, either.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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You really need to look at incident rates rather than totals when making comparisons across categories like this. Plus, no one is suggesting banning skateboards, just participating in the sport as safely as possible. There is likewise an ongoing effort to make cars as safe as possible, and indeed they have gotten much safer for both passengers and pedestrians over the years.

curious how cars have become safer for pedestrians? i've anecdotally absorbed the opposite, but maybe i'm a biased bicyclist. Cars have only become increasingly massive; an arms race to "protect your family!" meaning the passengers.

I believe EU regulations lead the way here. Basically, part of crash testing now involves impacts with pedestrians. My understanding is that the primary effect is on the front-end shape of vehicles. When striking a pedestrian, you want them to roll up onto the hood, into the windshield, to spread out the impact as much as possible (in area and time). More recently, systems like automated emergency braking have helped too.

Here, this wikipedia page gives an overview: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pedestrian_safety_through_vehi...

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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You really need to look at incident rates rather than totals when making comparisons across categories like this. Plus, no one is suggesting banning skateboards, just participating in the sport as safely as possible. There is likewise an ongoing effort to make cars as safe as possible, and indeed they have gotten much safer for both passengers and pedestrians over the years.

> You really need to look at incident rates rather than totals when making comparisons across categories like this. Depends on what you want to figure out. For finding out the comparative danger of an individual doing activity A versus activity B, sure. But if the group doing something exceedingly dangerous is quite small, it might not warrant an intervention as far as public health etc is concerned. Scale matters (s…

Really I should have just said that the rate of injuries in cars is irrelevant to safety considerations with skateboards. If there are dangers in skateboarding that can be reasonably reduced with better safety, that would be a good thing to do. Likewise with cars. If one is more dangerous than the other, it's not a logical reason to focus solely on that one.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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In an age where people are as lonely and isolated as ever and rightly complain about the ubiquity of car-based transportation, here is a group that has built an actual community around practically carbon-free transportation. Though, yes, even as a skateboarder I don't condone the hill-bombing as it is legitimately too dangerous.

Skateboarding culture is really stupid about safety gear. If they wore the same stuff longboarders wore when going down big slopes, the sport wouldn’t be nearly as dangerous.

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Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

#90

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I worry about egg stains on sweatshirts too. Some folks join us with age. Others live life right up to the brim, good for em I say. The world needs all kinds. Reminds me of Cooper's Hill Cheese-Rolling and Wake. It's this race in Gloucester, England. It's been going on since the early 1800s. Folks run down a 45 degree hill for 200 yards to catch a 10 pound rolling cheese wheel. It's as dangerous as it sounds, but fun…

Or we can just install speed bumps/dots on every hilly street and let young people figure out a different way to being needlessly reckless. You're saying "good for em I say" to people who give themselves traumatic brain injuries and kill random innocent people: https://sfist.com/2020/07/20/city-installs-raised-dots-on-do... https://sfist.com/2019/07/20/well-known-skateboarder-tomoko-... If they have some private hill…

Lots of places in Europe shut down their public roads for a day so some people can race in them.

One famous example: Monaco.

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