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Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

#62

Oof, these poor kids. I can't imagine what's going to happen to them financially, but I feel like doing a lot of property damage to a vehicle that's bristling with high resolution cameras, in the age of easy facial recognition, is going to have consequences. Maybe they're just so privileged that their default expectation is that their parents will bail them out of anything, and maybe they're right.

"My phone just stopped working!"

"Mine too."

"Your account has been terminated for violating Google's terms of service".

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

#63

The way we build cities around the car in the USA is kind of a blight, so I can't help but be somewhat relieved to see that other people look at these Waymo cars, with all that they stand for, as worthy of ridicule.

What if cities were built around public transit? Like trains? Or what about small trains that seat 4 people, and can go along many aboveground tracks?

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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When I was in high school, the local teens would gather every Friday night on a certain commercial street downtown, and would drag race from light to light. Of course it was illegal, but the cops had a quiet understanding that as long as it was just that section of road, they wouldn't interfere. It was great fun. Not only were kids drag racing their cars, a lot more were showing off their cars, hanging out at the dri…

At night, I sometimes scroll through the live TikTok streams. There's one I've really come to enjoy. Some drag strip somewhere in Texas is open to almost all comers. People bring in their street cars or custom vehicles. And duel it out on the quarter mile. Kinda fun to see something like a 30 year old supercharged pickup go against some brand new Infiniti.

There's some people around to make things are safe. No cops in sight. When a new vehicle rolls in, people crowd around to check it out. It's a beautiful thing.

It's almost convinced me that cities should put in a public access drag strip. Just like they have facilities for other sports. A place where the teenagers and gearheads can go nuts. But away from public streets and with some basic safety rules and equipment. I think it would be a huge hit.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

#66

The way we build cities around the car in the USA is kind of a blight, so I can't help but be somewhat relieved to see that other people look at these Waymo cars, with all that they stand for, as worthy of ridicule.

When car tech gets good enough to avoid almost all incidents with people, something drastic is going to happen. Naturally everyone will just step out on the road causing the cars to stop. So either driving through a city will become a situation you avoid if at all possible, or governments install fences and barriers everywhere and make walking without right of way a serious crime.

Or cars are no longer a thing in high density zones in some cities (e.g. NY, London, Montreal). Only buses and vans. Some private cars w/ driver - but say $1000 tax / day.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

#67
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bibliogram is an alternative interface to Instagram: https://bibliogram.art/p/Cf2FPFsPZeD/ (Similar to Nitter -> Twitter, Invidious -> YouTube, and Teddit -> Reddit.) Speaking of which: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=TJO3_UADLGk

was looking at your link and found this - https://bibliogram.art/p/Cfsna30F2h- WTF is going on over there ?! So glad I'm safe in the boring midwest.

Not specific to Oakland, FWIW:

"Skyrocketing Expressway Shootings a Uniquely Chicago Problem, Investigators Say" https://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/skyrocketing-expre...

"1 killed in expressway shooting in NW Indiana - FOX 32 Chicago" https://www.fox32chicago.com/news/1-killed-in-expressway-sho...

You can find examples for Minnesota (the well-mannered state), Wisconsin, Missouri, and elsewhere.

The "but it's safe here" narrative probably isn't valid.

I don't have comparative statistics, but keep in mind that California's population is ~40 million compared to 12.5 m for Illinois, and less for surrounding states.

Re: Waymo car swarmed by skaters in San Francisco 'hill bomb'

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Here's the title of the posted video: "Skaters Mob on High Tech Surveillance Car in San Francisco" Meanwhile, its posted on Instagram[0]... and in the video you see a bajillion phones out recording the event. Oh the irony... [0]: https://www.instagram.com/p/Cf2FPFsPZeD/

This attempt to counter-chastize rings hollow to me.

We all have phones we can use to film things. Yes. They do an ok 1080p, many technically can do 4k but look close at the capture & you'll see it's largely mush. To record, people have to pull put their phones & aim that at things: a specific & noticable event. One that typically comes at very significant battery usage costs.

Now by compare here's a vehicle with multiple sensor devices that cost multiple thousands of dollars a piece. You can jolly well bet these are predominntly always on devices. There's no indicator for when these devices might send the data back to the mothership or not- a true panoptician design; the threat of recordings being sent up is perpetually implied, it's medium-term buffers likely to get uploaded if anything happens or sampled anyways just because. These high end sensor platforms are actively roaming, are driving about, working together to gain a vast top down composite view of the world, something again a couple random instagram feeds provides only the faintest most distant glimmer of.

The power control & hierarchy here is clear as day to me. Fearing uncoordinated masses with low res handheld phones feels ridiculous by compare.

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