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Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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Aren't half the UI classes in OSX still prefixed with "NS" for NextStep?

Yeah my understanding is that most of the OS X team were from Next, so Apple definitely got something out of the acquisition

OS X was an upgraded NeXTStep (including an all-new GUI and printing subsystem) with the addition of two ways of running old Mac applications: Classic mode, which was a full OS9 environment running under hardware virtualization, and the Carbon APIs, which were a set of upgraded but mostly-compatible C/C++ APIs that allowed Mac applications from the last decade and a half to be carried forward. These APIs survived for about ten years, and while they were not completely frozen in time, there was always a feeling that they were the second-class, legacy choice compared to the "native" alternative, Cocoa. There was never a 64-bit Carbon, so running (much less compiling) Carbon apps has been impossible for quite some time now.

The Objective-C Cocoa APIs are a straight descendant of the NeXTStep APIs, and many NeXT apps would run on OS X with a simple recompile. While there have been many additions since, and the main focus these days is on the Swift language, to the best of my knowledge, you can still take an Objective-C NeXT application and compile it on your ARMintosh and have it run with very few issues.

I was a Mac user from 1989, and I didn't like OS X much at the time. It felt like a completely new system, not an update to what I was used to. Sure, it was better in many technical ways, but it was also a lot more complicated. And it felt different. So there were was definitely a sense that it was really a Mac anymore.

Just about the only technical concession to the old Mac crowd that I can think of was the use of the old HFS+ file system, over NeXT's UNIX filesystem. And I think this was only because there was a transition period of several years where dual-booting was common, even necessary. So you could install OS X next to your old OS 9 system and boot either at your discretion without having to have several partitions. Mac OS9 is very dependent on some features in its FS, so this was the only way to allow a smooth transition. But other than that, OS X was and felt like a new, alien system, even though it did allow for compatibility with many applications.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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Dassault Systèmes acquiring Solidworks.

Most users don't know that Solidworks, which is well know as a mid level solution for CAD, is actually owned by the French company developing CATIA, which is practically used by every single serious manufacturer in the world (from automotive to aircraft to ship to factory to you name it).

The geometric kernel powering these two is now the same, but it wasn't for years. I guess it's a good illustration of why this acquisition was successful and didn't ruin Solidworks: the company was left practically untouched for more than ten years. "assimilation" took place at a very slow pace (almost cosmological for a software company).

Now the question to ask is more why the acquisition is taking place. To get a list of customers? To get skilled contributors, or knowledge, or patent, or a piece of technology? To get a presence in a different country? All or a part of this? To kill a competitor?

Anyway you put it, acquisition is not a neutral move. It's always joining a bigger structure, hence jumping to a later stage and size at extreme speed. Considering how difficult it is for a single company to get through its different stages by itself, it is normal that acquisitions are hard for acquired companies. Assuming the objective is not to kill the acquired, tremendous efforts will be needed on both sides to make it work. The acquiring company ramping up newcomers, on new actual processes, on new ways of doing; the acquired one to agree to it, and accept that it is the cost to pay to operate at a higher scale.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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> Just differences in company culture Which is what this thread is largely about.

Then the question is completed flawed, because the actual question then is "what are some examples of companies being acquired with the same corporate culture". Because a # of the examples given are parent companies just leaving the acquired company alone in isolation. How is that good for either the acquirer or the consumers. No synergies can be had if the two companies are operating independently.

The question was pretty poorly worded IMO, but its an important one.

Usually when a company is acquired, certain unique (and attractive) features of its company culture die pretty fast.

These can be measurable things eg: PTO policies, imposing certain dev environments/corp machine policies on devs, bonus structures, conference/training allowances, frequency and structure of meetings, etc.

Or these can be more vague things, like shifts in how internal comms work, the death of informal means of resolving issues, incremental shifts in management style, etc.

The last acquisition I went through (as an employee of the acquired company) resulted in about half of my team leaving pretty quick. The acquirer basically took away all the perks that made working there worthwhile (compared to any given competitor).

If my current employer was to be acquired, I'm willing to bet that the entire staff of the business unit I'm part of will be looking for new jobs, as I doubt the acquirer would be giving us the degree of freedom that we have currently.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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I think github got better after Microsoft bought them. They were in some stale rut for a long time before that.

I'm curious here: what got better in GitHub since the acquisition?

It's a genuine question, I'm not being sarcastic, I really don't understand the statement (which seems to be shared by several people here). I honestly can't point out a single thing that was delivered that changed the game for like, 6 years from now if not more (copilot is a nice gadget IMHO but it's not really game changer, is it?).

I was actually hoping that MS support would change that, but I don't see it happening.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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Coco and Turning Red were excellent. The rest of your list however, proves you more right than wrong.

I'd argue the only real misses were the cash grab sequels (Cars 2, Cars 3, and I can only assume Lightyear is in that group but looking at RT it seems like both ratings are still "fresh"). The rest of the movies on the post-acquisition list were good, if not great. Critically, I think the worst one on the list is the Good Dinosaur and even that's still generally well liked.

I'd argue that the old-school criterium for a "successful" Pixar movie was that it needed to be great, not just good.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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post #30

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The crazy thing is that Disney -> Pixar was also pretty much a reverse acquisition, so Steve was involved in 2 of those. At the time of acquisition his wife was the largest Disney shareholder, so she had more shares than anyone in the Disney family Seems like Pixar is doing well and Disney is taking influence from them

Pixar movies had an artistic downfall after the Disney acquisition. But sure they are doing fine financially-wise and technology-wise.

I would argue that this is more about the departure / firing of John Lasseter then a side effect of Disney. Lasseter's mandate was to rescue Disney animation, and while Pixar went down a bit, it very clearly re-emerged for a while.

Where Disney is now is more about destroying the parks as cultural touchstones in the USA.

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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That's an argument for the acquisition of YT by Google being net positive, but it doesn't answer the OP's question, which he specifically restricts to the "less tangible parts of the smaller company".

>but it doesn't answer the OP's question I think it does, otherwise OP's question is ill-posed. That is, if YouTube scaled independently from a scrappy startup to a $170billion behemoth, the changes in corporate governance and culture would have been equally as drastic as being acquired by Google.

That's a new claim not made in the comment I replied to (and arguably still not really answering the question, which is definitely not ill-posed).

Re: Ask HN: Examples of large acquisitions that did not ruin the acquired company?

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post #52

Amazon owns the following companies selling books: - AbeBooks (acquired by Amazon in 2008) - Book Depository (acquired by Amazon in 2011) These companies don't appeared to have changed dramatically from when Amazon bought them. I wonder if these companies operate 'independently' without too much undue influence from Amazon?

You left out Amazing acquiring IMDB in 1998! Hasn't changed much since then. Likewise woot.com in 2010.

woot.com is not a good example of company culture staying good. The employees got so fed up, they left and started meh.com, which seems to be just “woot.com again.”
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