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Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by corrral »

deltree7 wrote: post #11
corrral wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like there's gotta be a better way. Video "channels" should be like podcasts: hosting and discovery largely separate. Subscription, client-side. YouTube shouldn't exist.

Only a seriously out-of-touch elite dude will claim that something which organically became popular shouldn't exist. By your brilliant logic, Hacker News shouldn't exist.

People are upset about Spotify trying to own the podcast market. Meanwhile Web video is already in the position everyone dreads podcasts reaching, and has been for its entire existence. Assuming folks aren't wrong about RSS-based host-anywhere podcasts being better than having the entire market controlled by one provider, seems obvious video'd be better with the same model.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by selfhoster11 »

corrral wrote: post #7
tmountain wrote: post #5

It's a pretty terrible situation for folks that build their livelihood curating a channel to have to accept the risk that their channel could be taken down at any moment due to a false positive regarding copyright violation. Making matters worse, it sounds like there's no real recourse beyond taking your grievance onto social media and hoping your channel has enough clout to get Youtube's attention. In this case, it…

> Seems like there's gotta be a better way. Video "channels" should be like podcasts: hosting and discovery largely separate. Subscription, client-side. YouTube shouldn't exist.

[para removed due to tone]

Secondly, podcasting seems to be centralising recently on things like whatever-Apple-podcast-store-is-called and Spotify, so that analogy isn't great.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by selfhoster11 »

BudaDude wrote: post #8
buzzwords wrote: post #6

YT couldn't care less if creators are unhappy with anything at the moment. There is no real competition, so creators have to just deal with it. I hope for a real competition, where there will be a mass exodus.

This is becoming less true, TikTok is a major competitor. Yeah there is Youtube shorts, but its largely just reuploaded TikTok videos.

Tiktok is not a competitor to YT. It's much more focused on shorter-form content, and it's much more addictive. For those two reasons alone, it's not a 1:1 competitor to the Youtube monopoly.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by [deleted] »

deltree7 wrote: post #11
corrral wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like there's gotta be a better way. Video "channels" should be like podcasts: hosting and discovery largely separate. Subscription, client-side. YouTube shouldn't exist.

Only a seriously out-of-touch elite dude will claim that something which organically became popular shouldn't exist. By your brilliant logic, Hacker News shouldn't exist.

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Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by aetherson »

mirashii wrote: post #2

From a tweet: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1546419223466999809#m > & thx for your patience as we sorted it out But they haven't really sorted it out, have they? False copyright strike claims have been plaguing creators for years. This is just another case of someone needing social media and a huge reach or an inside connection to Google employees to get human eyes on a situation and "resolve" it, with no re…

They haven't sorted it out, but it's also fundamentally not really something that Google can sort out. They have a legal responsibility to respond to these copyright claims, with major penalties if they don't -- this is from DMCA and its successors, from an era of... I don't want to say "copyright maximalism," but something closer to copyright maximalism than the balance is today.

We need to reform the legal responsibilities of sites like Youtube to enable them to take a more considered approach.

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by duped »

code51 wrote: post #17
mirashii wrote: post #2

From a tweet: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1546419223466999809#m > & thx for your patience as we sorted it out But they haven't really sorted it out, have they? False copyright strike claims have been plaguing creators for years. This is just another case of someone needing social media and a huge reach or an inside connection to Google employees to get human eyes on a situation and "resolve" it, with no re…

Exactly. Google is not paying my Admob money even after 5 months has passed (no violation, self-close of account) Through the Kafkaesque maze of non-existent Adsense support, my case (they say) finally got escalated to a payment person at Google. Yet, I didn't hear update for the past month. You can't ask anything about your case and you can't get any time projection on when you'll hear anything back. If you don't ha…

Have you tried hiring a lawyer to send a letter to their legal team?

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by corrral »

selfhoster11 wrote: post #23
corrral wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Seems like there's gotta be a better way. Video "channels" should be like podcasts: hosting and discovery largely separate. Subscription, client-side. YouTube shouldn't exist.

[para removed due to tone] Secondly, podcasting seems to be centralising recently on things like whatever-Apple-podcast-store-is-called and Spotify, so that analogy isn't great.

You're not following me. I'm not saying youtube channels should be podcasts. I'm saying that the problem with YouTube is its monopoly, driven by coupling hosting and discovery in one platform, and a podcast model that separates those would improve the ecosystem and solve most of the problems with YouTube being able to dictate terms for an entire super-popular form of creative content.

> Secondly, podcasting seems to be centralising recently on things like whatever-Apple-podcast-store-is-called and Spotify, so that analogy isn't great.

Right, and podcast fans largely hate that trend.

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Post by guerrilla »

mirashii wrote: post #2

From a tweet: https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1546419223466999809#m > & thx for your patience as we sorted it out But they haven't really sorted it out, have they? False copyright strike claims have been plaguing creators for years. This is just another case of someone needing social media and a huge reach or an inside connection to Google employees to get human eyes on a situation and "resolve" it, with no re…

I saw a whole long thread on Twitter of screenshots of (big) creators themselves getting copyright strikes for their own work and being like WTF. It seems a lot more rampant than people may be aware...

Re: Lofi Girl: YouTube sorry for taking down music stream

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Post by selfhoster11 »

sillysaurusx wrote: post #19
ziddoap wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe for certain segments/formats, but TikTok doesn't do long-form videos, does it? Most of my YouTube watching is things like Anton Petrov's 15+ minute science videos, PBS Space Time, hour+ live streams, DefCon/Blackhat/Other Conference talks, and a hundred other things that I don't think are available or desired on TikToks platform (and maybe not even supported? I'm not sure what the max video length is on TikTok)…

It sure does. They enabled 10min videos, and at this point it's a meme that creators are getting roasted for doing part 2's. (I.e. breaking up a long video into multiple parts for no reason.) Not only that, but lots of tiktok accounts are literally just reuploading full youtube videos from channels like Kurzgesagt. Not happy about that, but it's also a sign of a successful platform. Facebook had the same situation go…

> just reuploading full youtube videos from channels like Kurzgesagt (...) it's also a sign of a successful platform

No, not really.

Ripping Youtube content is trivial, so you basically have a raidable pool of high-quality content that you can re-upload and monetise, that you didn't have to pay for in any way.

If you're seeing a lot of Kurzgesagt vidoes on TikTok, all that means is that someone found out their monetisation success rate for those stolen videos is high enough that it makes financial sense to carry on doing it.

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