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BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by coffeeblack »

aeyes wrote: post #184
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

Do those that 'own' a home today in the US really own it? You still have to pay property tax against the "property value" which is a completely arbitrary number set by an outsider. If you don't pay, you lose your home - that is not my definition of ownership.

Good point, don’t understand why it’s downvoted. Could people who downvote leave a comment with their reason?

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by Jaepa »

aeyes wrote: post #184
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

Do those that 'own' a home today in the US really own it? You still have to pay property tax against the "property value" which is a completely arbitrary number set by an outsider. If you don't pay, you lose your home - that is not my definition of ownership.

It's kind of a false equivalence to compare taxes, to something like rent.

If you wanted an argument for not owning housing, a better argument would be something like zoning restrictions.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by chewz »

Good news is that all bmw's come with all the options just turned off via software..

So be smart guys, this is called hacker news for a reason... Just buy bare metal bmw and turn all luxury options on... (and BMW is traditionally very dumb on security)...

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by coffeeblack »

mmmpop wrote: post #177
bbertelsen wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was reviewing my Steam library recently and thought to myself. How would I access these games without Steam? What happens when I die? Can I sell my Steam library? I realized I don't own anything other than a temporary license to use the software.

> What happens when I die? Can I sell my Steam library? HN frowns upon trolling.

Why is that “trolling”? Seems like a fair question.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by _fat_santa »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

I have to disagree because at the end of the day, the consumer has a choice. BMW, Stellantis and other car makers are charging subscriptions for features. I see an immediate solution: buy another car.

I see this argument a ton, people complain that new cars are too expensive, super high monthly payments and subscription features. Yes these are all problems but they are only problems if you choose to buy a new car. Seems that folks forget in these arguments that there is a sea of affordable, reliable used cars without any of the bullshit they add to new cars these days, at a fraction of the cost of a new car.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by ghaff »

saiya-jin wrote: post #180
PaywallBuster wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you keep a car for something that will happen once per ~ 4 years?

There are many people who would happily pay 4 years of car ownership if it means difference between safe birth and unsafe one. If you think its rare mindset, see what happens if (very frequent when I look around) miscarriage happens, how it fucks up people in most fundamental ways and insecure they become. And obviously there are tremendous use cases to enjoy weekends, do groceries/other shopping, helping friends and…

With some exceptions (especially in places where car ownership is a real financial/hassle burden like Manhattan), my observation is that people who choose not to own a car even in an urban environment with good public transit end up making a lot of lifestyle compromises. Even leaving aside trips to the emergency room, sick pets, etc., they just don't head to the mountains/beach/etc. because it's too big of a hassle. And especially once you get past a certain age, you can't rely on friends with cars like we did undergrad. Perfectly valid choice but, for the most part, you just don't do things that are a pain to do.

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Post by NeoTar »

akudha wrote: post #171
farisjarrah wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conversely, I been seeing more people then ever riding, building and modifying electric and motorized bicycles. You can modify a regular $200 mountain bike with a $200 motor kit from amazon and have a $400 motorcycle that you don’t need a motorcycle license for. If you really don’t want to burn fossil fuels, a $1000 bafang mid drive ebike kit can turn a regular bicycle into a hill crushing monster and can be installe…

more people then ever More people than ever maybe, but that is a tiny fraction of the number of cars, at least in the U.S. It is like saying more people than ever are turning vegetarian/vegan. Yes, it is true, but it is still a miniscule number in the grand scheme of things, and the the change is way too slow/small to have any real impact, at least in my life time. I love Jetbrains products, it was irritating when th…

I thought the JetBrains subscription was actually a good example of a subscription - when you buy an annual subscription, you get a 'perpetual fallback license' for the version at the time of purchase - i.e. you can continue to use that version forever without further payment.

Isn't that basically a traditional (90's style) software purchase?

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by _fat_santa »

chewz wrote: post #193

Good news is that all bmw's come with all the options just turned off via software.. So be smart guys, this is called hacker news for a reason... Just buy bare metal bmw and turn all luxury options on... (and BMW is traditionally very dumb on security)...

Hackers are rejoicing at this subscription movement because now they can get a fully loaded BMW for the price of a base model.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by naasking »

gfunk911 wrote: post #100

This seems no different than Intel manufacturing fewer distinct things and using CPU locking to sell at more price points. https://www.techopedia.com/definition/2239/cpu-lock It’s cheaper to physically put the functionality in all the cars than to differentiate at assembly time. We don’t have the same visceral reaction to paying for options at the dealer. (I am assuming they aren’t adding this charge RETROACTIVELY. T…

You are correct, it is no different, and it's wrong when Intel does it too, assuming the CPU hardware really is identical and it's purely a software lock that the user can't work around.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by LatteLazy »

When real interest rates and inflation are low, recurring revenue looks really attractive, because the NPV is high. That makes sense and I see how that drives subscription models for everything from movies to phones to car seats. But now interest rates are rising and inflation is high, I can't help but think BMW have missed the boat and are pursuing a model that would have been a great idea in 2008 but with hindsight will look dumb when 2030 people look back at us.
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