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BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by bko »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

Relax, it's just heated seats. It's user hostile and I imagine they'll drop it because it'll be seen as annoying.

There are real problems with housing affordability but a subscription to heated seats in a luxury car is not indicative of a bigger issue.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by manmal »

t0mas88 wrote: post #45
2143 wrote: post #31

I seriously hope this doesn't catch on. For cars with internal combustion engines, the company tends to get constant income via service thanks oil filters, other filters, and a whole bunch of stuff that needs to be replaced (assuming people take it to authorised service centers, which I assume most people do when the car is relatively new). With the transition to EV, those avenues dry up because EVs need lesser maint…

I think people over-estimate that because most EVs are very new. Of course this is n=1 type data, but the service cost on engine related things for my several years old BMW are quite low compared to other items. They replace the oil once the computer wants it, which is every 30,000 to 40,000km, so less than once a year for most users. And that's all engine costs I've had over the years. But I do have maintenance cost…

Fully agree.

Maintenance costs for my gen 1 Ioniq are ca 60% compared to my previous ICE Kia. Of course this is a welcome change, but it‘s not like switching to an EV means no costs beside electricity.

The power train per se will probably never need paid maintenance, but they do check the coolant and brakes lines every year, clean the AC, resolve system warnings, replace filters etc.

And then there’s tires - you can easily pay 2k for new 22“ rims + tires, and expect a sporty EV to go through those tires quickly. In most regions you‘ll also change tires regularly, which alone can cost 200 bucks per year in a shop (including balancing which is a good idea if you‘re into driving fast).

Tire costs dilute EV savings a lot, to put it mildly.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by nathanaldensr »

winternett wrote: post #134
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

I was ranting about this 2 years ago and a lot of people laughed it off... I cited an auto start feature o VOLVO cars that required a siriusXM membership. It's unfathomable that we reached this point of monthly subscriptions being implemented on things that we've already paid for. It's the first sign that we're in for a wave of not feudalism, but outright economic slavery. There is no rational consumer protection aga…

There is a way, but you're not going to like it, and we can't discuss it on HN.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by stephencanon »

lghh wrote: post #124
PaywallBuster wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

you keep a car for something that will happen once per ~ 4 years?

Well, there's also the baby after that happens.

Baby on a bike is easy (well, once they're big enough to hold their heads up). Ours (one and five) pretty much want me to take them on the bike everywhere, unless the weather is brutally wet or cold (When the weather's sufficiently bad, we take the BMW with heated seats instead =)

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by ChrisRR »

bko wrote: post #161
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

Relax, it's just heated seats. It's user hostile and I imagine they'll drop it because it'll be seen as annoying. There are real problems with housing affordability but a subscription to heated seats in a luxury car is not indicative of a bigger issue.

People relaxing on shitty behaviour is how you end up with a subscription for heated seats in the first place

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by avidphantasm »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

No, they will be worse off than serfs. Serfs could still grow their own food (though of course they had to pay tribute to the landlord) and they had way more festivals and days off.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by the_gipsy »

PaywallBuster wrote: post #108
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you really don’t want to burn fossil fuels, a $1000 bafang mid drive ebike kit can turn a regular bicycle into a hill crushing monster and can be installed with almost no specialized tools. I love electric bikes and want to install the bafang kit myself, but lets keep things in perspective - it's not gonna get my pregnant wife to the hospital.

you keep a car for something that will happen once per ~ 4 years?

It's rains more than once per 4 years.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by bbertelsen »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #79

We are rapidly moving towards Feudalism. If someone can charge you for using things you already bought and 'own', then average man has no property rights. The fee could be increased at any time, or new fees could be introduced. As the housing crysis deepens, average person will never own a home either. So average person will be in the same position as a medieval serf, conpletely dependand on the whims of the lord, pr…

I was reviewing my Steam library recently and thought to myself. How would I access these games without Steam? What happens when I die? Can I sell my Steam library? I realized I don't own anything other than a temporary license to use the software.

Re: BMW heated seats subscription costs $18 per month in South Korea

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Post by wonderwonder »

Article didn't really cover this but do you still have to pay more for a car that has the heated seats and steering wheel options and then a monthly fee to use them or do all the target cars in SK come with these features standard? If you have to pay more just to have the option of paying to turn on the subscription then that is insane.
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