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Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by bruceb »

notch656a wrote: post #12
mrtksn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most immigrants are economically very active since starting a new life from zero requires that. Unless you can't physically fit people in the island, the solution would be to let the immigrants work legally. Number of houses are not fixed like the total number of bitcoins, people can build new ones. Despite the political rhetoric and recent trends, immigration is a good thing and the problems it causes can be reduced…

I agree that immigrants are a good thing. Especially illegal immigrants if they have no way to benefit from tax benefits but are forced to pay into it. It means they're basically forced to be a net benefit. The key is to make sure any benefits offered to immigrants are not a net drain on society. Usually this is the case, particularly if you just deny illegal immigrants any service while forcing them to pay taxes, bu…

> I agree that immigrants are a good thing. Especially illegal immigrants if they have no way to benefit from tax benefits but are forced to pay into it

This is misstating the situation.

1. People working under the table don't pay taxes.

2. Those who do pay taxes are not earning that much as such not paying much tax

3. They do get benefits. For example CA gave illegal immigrants payments. https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/california-give-cash-pay...

Immigration is complex. Filled with bad faith and misleading arguments from many sides.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by golemiprague »

mrtksn wrote: post #6
olivermarks wrote: post #3

Illegal immigration into the UK from the third world is far greater now than it was in the era of Mo Farah's childhood. I have to wonder how the UK social construct can survive with the huge numbers of people entering given the lack of housing, water, food etc https://youtu.be/PAeRejE467g

Most immigrants are economically very active since starting a new life from zero requires that. Unless you can't physically fit people in the island, the solution would be to let the immigrants work legally. Number of houses are not fixed like the total number of bitcoins, people can build new ones. Despite the political rhetoric and recent trends, immigration is a good thing and the problems it causes can be reduced…

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Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by aikah »

mrtksn wrote: post #50
aikah wrote: post #44

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Nope. Gotta pay the rent and buy food. No pimps unless you are a prostitute. There’s no slave debt, it cost a few grands to get somewhere illegally and most people pay that through the money from friends and family and savings. Once in UK or another rich country you work crazy hours and you make that money back in a month or two. After that you start looking how to improve your own situation and make it worth. UK or…

Your denial of the facts of illegal immigration from third world countries to Europe is unmatched.

https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas-and-statistics/cri...

The rest of your comments here just look like a typical copy-pasta fallacy, simply ignoring the scope of the assertion the parent comment made, to make an unrelated point.

Of course, all is well when somebody denies facts.

> UK or EU is not Dubai, no one takes your passport and make you work like a slave. There are some fringe cases but it’s not how it work for the millions of immigrants.

This is an objectively false assertion, forced labour AKA slavery is a thing in Europe.

https://www.euronews.com/2019/07/17/forced-labour-most-preva...

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by mrtksn »

aikah wrote: post #53
mrtksn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Gotta pay the rent and buy food. No pimps unless you are a prostitute. There’s no slave debt, it cost a few grands to get somewhere illegally and most people pay that through the money from friends and family and savings. Once in UK or another rich country you work crazy hours and you make that money back in a month or two. After that you start looking how to improve your own situation and make it worth. UK or…

Your denial of the facts of illegal immigration from third world countries to Europe is unmatched. https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas-and-statistics/cri... The rest of your comments here just look like a typical copy-pasta fallacy, simply ignoring the scope of the assertion the parent comment made, to make an unrelated point. Of course, all is well when somebody denies facts. > UK or EU is not Dubai, no one ta…

Would you like me to give you statistics on the drug related crimes? Horrible criminal networks exist thanks to the illegal nature of the drugs. The same thing with immigrants.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by aikah »

mrtksn wrote: post #54
aikah wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your denial of the facts of illegal immigration from third world countries to Europe is unmatched. https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas-and-statistics/cri... The rest of your comments here just look like a typical copy-pasta fallacy, simply ignoring the scope of the assertion the parent comment made, to make an unrelated point. Of course, all is well when somebody denies facts. > UK or EU is not Dubai, no one ta…

Would you like me to give you statistics on the drug related crimes? Horrible criminal networks exist thanks to the illegal nature of the drugs. The same thing with immigrants.

> Would you like me to give you statistics on the drug related crimes? Horrible criminal networks exist thanks to the illegal nature of the drugs. The same thing with immigrants.

See what is your problem? You don't even care about what the parent says so you choose to wallow into making strawmen that have absolutely nothing to do with what the parent said at first place, or even bother sourcing your already off topic claims, just spewing generic talking points about god knows what. When did I or OP talk about drugs? never.

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Post by fennecfoxen »

yunohn wrote: post #48
olivermarks wrote: post #3

Illegal immigration into the UK from the third world is far greater now than it was in the era of Mo Farah's childhood. I have to wonder how the UK social construct can survive with the huge numbers of people entering given the lack of housing, water, food etc https://youtu.be/PAeRejE467g

> Illegal immigration into the UK from the third world Ironic, given the UK’s history of illegally colonising and creating a “third world” from their exploitation.

Really the third world is still basically defined in terms of your historical relationships to the US or the Soviet Union. Despite the end of that particular conflict the membership in various worlds hasn't much changed.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

aikah wrote: post #53
mrtksn wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nope. Gotta pay the rent and buy food. No pimps unless you are a prostitute. There’s no slave debt, it cost a few grands to get somewhere illegally and most people pay that through the money from friends and family and savings. Once in UK or another rich country you work crazy hours and you make that money back in a month or two. After that you start looking how to improve your own situation and make it worth. UK or…

Your denial of the facts of illegal immigration from third world countries to Europe is unmatched. https://www.europol.europa.eu/crime-areas-and-statistics/cri... The rest of your comments here just look like a typical copy-pasta fallacy, simply ignoring the scope of the assertion the parent comment made, to make an unrelated point. Of course, all is well when somebody denies facts. > UK or EU is not Dubai, no one ta…

>This is an objectively false assertion, forced labour AKA slavery is a thing in Europe.

Your own source mentions 136000 cases in the UK, while the comment you quote says for "millions of immigrants." So it'd be something under 10% of immigrants would be in that situation.

Calling that "fringe cases" is a bit of a stretch but not "objectively false."

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Post by balderdash »

olivermarks wrote: post #3

Illegal immigration into the UK from the third world is far greater now than it was in the era of Mo Farah's childhood. I have to wonder how the UK social construct can survive with the huge numbers of people entering given the lack of housing, water, food etc https://youtu.be/PAeRejE467g

It’s all about a) the amount (enough to make up for the lower developed birthdate, and to keep inflation low, but not so much as to completely destabilize the quality of life of the native lower/middle class) b) composition (not all immigrants are created equal when it comes to net contribution (regardless of desire to work/contribute)(e.g. a someone older, with serious health conditions and lacking an a grade school education Vs say a college educated, young, and healthy.)

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Post by fy20 »

olivermarks wrote: post #3

Illegal immigration into the UK from the third world is far greater now than it was in the era of Mo Farah's childhood. I have to wonder how the UK social construct can survive with the huge numbers of people entering given the lack of housing, water, food etc https://youtu.be/PAeRejE467g

Refugees from the Ukrainian war can be used as a good case study to understand this. I live in Lithuania, which has taken over 50,000 people since the start of the war, which equates to around 2% of the total population. Most of the refugees are women and children, as the men usually stay to fight, so they are less productive in the labour market.

They are given a lot of benefits that regular working class do not have, which has led to the media and working class creating a lot of disdain towards Ukrainians. A friend told me that over the weekend he saw a worker in a supermarket start shouting at a Ukrainian woman who simply asked him where something is. It sounds exactly the same as the rheotric from rightwing media in the UK before Brexit, 'all these immigrants stealing our jobs'.

In the capital there is a shortage of housing, and the advertised rental prices have gone up 30-50% based on what they would have been asking for last year. This isn't just because of Ukraine though. Over the last decade a lot of people have relocated to larger cities, and I feel that a lot of this is life returning to normal post COVID (people want to live in the city centre again), as well as new construction projects being delayed (there are two large residential developments in my street that planned to complete early 2022, but still aren't anywhere near ready).

Prices for food have gone up, but I see this more as an effect of energy prices going up than because of refugees. I have not noticed any shortages of anything, outside of what products sanctions have stopped.

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