Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name • Hacker News Board

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by worik » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:08 AM UTC

lsllc wrote: post #8

Gosh this is such a heartbreaking and yet fascinating story. The BBC version is has more detail including some possible immigration jeopardy for Sir Mo due to getting citizenship under an assumed name: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-62123886 In the documentary, barrister Alan Briddock tells Sir Mo his nationality was technically "obtained by fraud or misrepresentations". Legally, the government can remove a person's Bri…

> No action whatsoever will be taken against Sir Mo and to suggest otherwise is wrong,” a spokesperson said.

I agree the "he law should be solidly on his side and not have to rely on the kindness of some civil servant "

It is for Sir Mo Farah. Good on him, respect.

But for Ahmed the minimum wage worker, they would be in detention and booked on an aeroplane to Rwanda before you could say "class ridden hell hole".

Good on him. This is how all people should be treated. It is not true in England.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by worik » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:12 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #18

mrtksn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most immigrants are economically very active since starting a new life from zero requires that. Unless you can't physically fit people in the island, the solution would be to let the immigrants work legally. Number of houses are not fixed like the total number of bitcoins, people can build new ones. Despite the political rhetoric and recent trends, immigration is a good thing and the problems it causes can be reduced…

My comment wasn't 'anti immigrant', I was pondering how the vast numbers of people flooding into Europe and the UK (and the US as well) can be accommodated given the chronic shortages of everything and difficult economy. The fallacy that all immigrants are hard working, clean living people slowly moving up the economic and societal ladder is popular with limo liberals who don't have to coexist and compete with the ne…

> he fallacy that all immigrants are hard working, clean living people slowly moving up the economic and societal ladder is popular with

Have you any actual evidence?

My experience is the opposite, for poor immigrants. Rich ones, on the other hand....

My prejudice is showing, is yours?

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by mrtksn » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:12 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #18

mrtksn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most immigrants are economically very active since starting a new life from zero requires that. Unless you can't physically fit people in the island, the solution would be to let the immigrants work legally. Number of houses are not fixed like the total number of bitcoins, people can build new ones. Despite the political rhetoric and recent trends, immigration is a good thing and the problems it causes can be reduced…

My comment wasn't 'anti immigrant', I was pondering how the vast numbers of people flooding into Europe and the UK (and the US as well) can be accommodated given the chronic shortages of everything and difficult economy. The fallacy that all immigrants are hard working, clean living people slowly moving up the economic and societal ladder is popular with limo liberals who don't have to coexist and compete with the ne…

I’m a multiple times immigrant and I’m yet to see those lazy immigrants.

I’ve been illegal in Turkey and legal in UK and Germany as a EU citizen and worked as a waiter for months until get my first white collar job. No, I’m not speaking as a liberal who doesn’t have idea about the actual immigrants or the working class. I’ve been all of those.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by olivermarks » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:13 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #18

mrtksn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most immigrants are economically very active since starting a new life from zero requires that. Unless you can't physically fit people in the island, the solution would be to let the immigrants work legally. Number of houses are not fixed like the total number of bitcoins, people can build new ones. Despite the political rhetoric and recent trends, immigration is a good thing and the problems it causes can be reduced…

My comment wasn't 'anti immigrant', I was pondering how the vast numbers of people flooding into Europe and the UK (and the US as well) can be accommodated given the chronic shortages of everything and difficult economy. The fallacy that all immigrants are hard working, clean living people slowly moving up the economic and societal ladder is popular with limo liberals who don't have to coexist and compete with the ne…

Better link Europe’s most fortified border is in Africa

sub saharan illegal immigrants into europe https://youtu.be/LY_Yiu2U2Ts

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by worik » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:14 AM UTC

notch656a wrote: post #19

mrtksn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was well established that the immigrants are a net contributors(actually bigger contributors per capita in comparison to the locals) and actually a very small number of the immigrants take payments from the social security system. It doesn't make any sense to go to another country and possibly spend a lot of money and risk your life and live on bare minimum. Very small number of people take that path.

In my country immigrants are high net contributors, but that is because they are illegal thus they get basically no benefits; or they are legal and thus they usually have a high bar (unless family sponsored) of being more educated or wealthy than our typical citizens.

> ut that is because they are illegal thus they get basically no benefits

Evidence?

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by mrtksn » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:15 AM UTC

notch656a wrote: post #19

mrtksn wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That was well established that the immigrants are a net contributors(actually bigger contributors per capita in comparison to the locals) and actually a very small number of the immigrants take payments from the social security system. It doesn't make any sense to go to another country and possibly spend a lot of money and risk your life and live on bare minimum. Very small number of people take that path.

In my country immigrants are high net contributors, but that is because they are illegal thus they get basically no benefits; or they are legal and thus they usually have a high bar (unless family sponsored) of being more educated or wealthy than our typical citizens.

What makes you think that if the immigrants were legal they would not work as hard and leech the social system unlike the natives?

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by giraffe_lady » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:17 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #3

Illegal immigration into the UK from the third world is far greater now than it was in the era of Mo Farah's childhood. I have to wonder how the UK social construct can survive with the huge numbers of people entering given the lack of housing, water, food etc https://youtu.be/PAeRejE467g

> I have to wonder how the UK social construct can survive with the huge numbers of people entering

Wow like, are you concerned about Replacement maybe? Seems a little racist to me but I'm not that Great at european geopolitics I guess.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by olivermarks » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:19 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #24

olivermarks wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My comment wasn't 'anti immigrant', I was pondering how the vast numbers of people flooding into Europe and the UK (and the US as well) can be accommodated given the chronic shortages of everything and difficult economy. The fallacy that all immigrants are hard working, clean living people slowly moving up the economic and societal ladder is popular with limo liberals who don't have to coexist and compete with the ne…

Better link Europe’s most fortified border is in Africa sub saharan illegal immigrants into europe https://youtu.be/LY_Yiu2U2Ts

Muhammad is most popular name in the UK for fifth year running, survey finds https://english.alaraby.co.uk/news/muhammad-most-popular-nam...

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by chx » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:20 AM UTC

olivermarks wrote: post #18

mrtksn wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most immigrants are economically very active since starting a new life from zero requires that. Unless you can't physically fit people in the island, the solution would be to let the immigrants work legally. Number of houses are not fixed like the total number of bitcoins, people can build new ones. Despite the political rhetoric and recent trends, immigration is a good thing and the problems it causes can be reduced…

My comment wasn't 'anti immigrant', I was pondering how the vast numbers of people flooding into Europe and the UK (and the US as well) can be accommodated given the chronic shortages of everything and difficult economy. The fallacy that all immigrants are hard working, clean living people slowly moving up the economic and societal ladder is popular with limo liberals who don't have to coexist and compete with the ne…

Considering the difficulties most of these people face to get to their target countries, it's not too far fetched to think most are indeed hard working and ambitious.

Re: Sir Mo Farah reveals he was trafficked into the UK using another child’s name

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Post by notch656a » Tue, Jul 12, 2022, 1:20 AM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #26

notch656a wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my country immigrants are high net contributors, but that is because they are illegal thus they get basically no benefits; or they are legal and thus they usually have a high bar (unless family sponsored) of being more educated or wealthy than our typical citizens.

What makes you think that if the immigrants were legal they would not work as hard and leech the social system unlike the natives?

I think the vast vast majority would continue to work hard. But leachers do exist, and given the opportunity, some will. The thing is the ones that are here illegally are already self selected as ones willing to work without social supports.

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>Leechers exist among natives too. Any particular reason to believe that it’s worse with the immigrants?

No in fact I've stated the opposite. The incentive structure for immigrants self selects the illegal ones as ones willing to work without social support, because it isn't offered to them. The legal immigrants, unless sponsored by family/spouse, generally have high education or wealth requirements than our average populace thus they're less likely to use benefits.

In fact I think my country could look at the incentive structure that has made the illegal immigrant in my country so hard working, and think about how we can apply to making our own citizenry more independent and less dependent on public benefits.