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Post by winternett »

mulmen wrote: post #380
winternett wrote: post #378

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Interesting how something that is so specifically and unexpectedly devastating, yet known for such a long time without any serious public awareness from companies involved, is referred to as a "bug". It makes you lose data and need to purchase new hardware, where I come from, that's usually referred to as "planned" or "convenient" obsolescence.

The difference between planned and convenient seems to be intent. And in this context that difference very much matters. I wouldn’t conflate the two.

Depends on who exactly we are talking about as having the intent...

Both planned and convenient obsolescence are beneficial to device manufacturers. Without proper accountability for that, it only becomes a normal practice.

Re: HN is up again

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Post by mulmen »

winternett wrote: post #381
mulmen wrote: post #380

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference between planned and convenient seems to be intent. And in this context that difference very much matters. I wouldn’t conflate the two.

Depends on who exactly we are talking about as having the intent... Both planned and convenient obsolescence are beneficial to device manufacturers. Without proper accountability for that, it only becomes a normal practice.

> Depends on who exactly we are talking about as having the intent...

The manufacturer, obviously. Who else would it be?

Could be an innocent mistake or a deliberate decision. Further action should be predicated on the root cause. Which includes intent.

Re: HN is up again

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Post by agileAlligator »

kabdib wrote: post #309
mikiem wrote: post #307

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You are never going to guess how long the HN SSDs were in the servers... never ever... OK... I'll tell you: 4.5years. I am not even kidding.

Let me narrow my guess: They hit 4 years, 206 days and 16 hours . . . or 40,000 hours. And that they were sold by HP or Dell, and manufactured by SanDisk. Do I win a prize? (None of us win prizes on this one).

Bang on!

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32048148

Re: HN is up again

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Post by pankajdoharey »

kabdib wrote: post #309
mikiem wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are never going to guess how long the HN SSDs were in the servers... never ever... OK... I'll tell you: 4.5years. I am not even kidding.

Let me narrow my guess: They hit 4 years, 206 days and 16 hours . . . or 40,000 hours. And that they were sold by HP or Dell, and manufactured by SanDisk. Do I win a prize? (None of us win prizes on this one).

Do they use SSD on space missions aswell?

Re: HN is up again

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Post by lultimouomo »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #379
gomijacogeo wrote: post #367

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It might not be nanoseconds, but something that's a power of 2 number of nanoseconds going into an appropriately small container seems likely. For example, a 62.5MHz counter going into 53 bits breaks at the same limit. Why 53 bits? That's where things start to get weird with IEEE doubles - adding 1 no longer fits into the mantissa and the number doesn't change. So maybe someone was doing a bit of fp math to figure ou…

53 is indeed a magic value for IEEE doubles, but why would anybody count an inherently integer value with floating-point? That's a serious rookie mistake. Of course there's no law that says SSD firmware writers can't be rookies.

Full stack JS, everything is a double down to the SSD firmware!

Re: HN is up again

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Post by mcv »

yahelc wrote: post #369
dang wrote: post #353

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It's also an example of the dharma of /newest – the rising and falling away of stories that get no attention: HPE releases urgent fix to stop enterprise SSDs conking out at 40K hours - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22706968 - March 2020 (0 comments) HPE SSD flaw will brick hardware after 40k hours - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=22697758 - March 2020 (0 comments) Some HP Enterprise SSD will brick after…

Easy to imagine why this didn’t capture peoples’ attention in late March 2020…

Was HN an indirect casualty of Covid?

Re: HN is up again

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Post by galoisgirl »

pankajdoharey wrote: post #384
kabdib wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me narrow my guess: They hit 4 years, 206 days and 16 hours . . . or 40,000 hours. And that they were sold by HP or Dell, and manufactured by SanDisk. Do I win a prize? (None of us win prizes on this one).

Do they use SSD on space missions aswell?

Only for 4 years, 206 days and 16 hours.

Re: HN is up again

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Post by Sohcahtoa82 »

GekkePrutser wrote: post #234
jethro_tell wrote: post #176

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The reason it's an institution is because it hasn't been bought by some corp trying to squeeze value out of eyeballs, which is why it hasn't really changed much. However, it takes money and time to keep it around in a not for profit way, so it will be an institution as long as it's funding is the same.

Yeah I really hope that if Ycombinator ever wants to pull out, that they don't sell it but let the community pull together to support it. I'd gladly donate to keep it running as it is. It would be even better if they just keep doing it as they are though <3

Considering the hardware it's running on, it wouldn't cost much to keep it running.

Re: HN is up again

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Post by CRConrad »

Thetawaves wrote: post #336

Imagine running a website that earns you millions and millions of dollars and it all gets taken out by a couple disk failures? Amateurs.

Imagine running a website that doesn't earn you millions and millions of dollars and it gets taken out for a mere eight hours by a couple disk failures.

Perfectly acceptable.

Re: HN is up again

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Post by jethro_tell »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #388
GekkePrutser wrote: post #234

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Yeah I really hope that if Ycombinator ever wants to pull out, that they don't sell it but let the community pull together to support it. I'd gladly donate to keep it running as it is. It would be even better if they just keep doing it as they are though <3

Considering the hardware it's running on, it wouldn't cost much to keep it running.

More the labor I'd assume. Development to continue scaling, maintenance and moderation.
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