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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by trashtester »

arroz wrote: post #491
tenpies wrote: post #315

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It's exactly 1 and 2 why the world largely considers the US such a threat. Any disagreement is discounted as "you're just ignorant and don't have a real opinion" followed by "you need to trust The Experts, but only the ones that agree with us". It has been a hoot to watch the US Democrats and all their useful idiots turn these arguments against the rest of the US over the last 6 years. Probably ends as well as Afghan…

China has also invaded Vietnam Russia has also invaded Afghanistan FYI

The difference is that we don't have Hollywood movies about those.

The real reasons why people hate America so much is not US military actions (though that has contributed in some cases), but American culture.

Nationalists worldwide absolutely hate it when young people in their countries drink Coke, eat at McDonalds, wear Levi's, consume US Music, Movies and video games, social media, etc. US culture has been displacing other cultures gradually for about 100 years.

If you are a westerner, consider the impact of Tik-Tok, and multiply it by 100x, then you may even empathize with them.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by wruza »

arroz wrote: post #500
Barrin92 wrote: post #280

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>Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. You may want to consult the so called 'global south' on that question who represents the majority of people on the planet and seems to have quite a different impression. Undoing America's 'rule based order' isn't a geopolitical threat to the world, it's a geopolitical threat to the US. Why would billions of peopl…

Global south is not the majority of the population And I am from the global south, I don’t know anyone that thinks the US is a threat China and Russia on the other hand, yes, very much

May turn out that it’s not a threat in the same way you are not a threat to a homeless man. Until he takes over your job and puts a paid gate in his alley, of course. Then he’s fucked up, lost his goddamn mind and must be dealt with in the name of our freedom.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

option wrote: post #349
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #285

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The USA have ~800 military bases over 85 different countries. Russia has 21, all in neighbouring countries. China has only 1 foreign base in Djibouti. Who's acting outside of their borders again?

ask Ukrainians whether they want US bases and whether they want to be part of Nato

> ask Ukrainians whether they want US bases and whether they want to be part of Nato

That doesn't make it right. Ukrainians are scared right now, that's not the right mental state to take decisions that will trap you for decades or more into a state of subjection to the US.

Also I don't care wether they want or not, the US must not expand further or we're basically asking for them to rule the world even more then they're currently doing. Plus I know by experience Ukraine will be better off without US bases.

My country has several US bases and this makes us a target for any US enemy and at the same time makes us a puppet state, lacking any sovereignty especially when it comes to foreign politics. Ask most people in my country, they'll tell you the bases can burn to hell.

Those bases are not there to defend us, their role is that of an offensive platform. We have many nuclear weapons ready to launch in case Biden decides it's time to fuck up some population.

I feel my safety and wellbeing are actively compromised by having foreign military bases on our soil.

Plus the American soldiers hosted in our country committed violence and rape several times and this is all documented and confirmed by our courts. Those yankees can definitely and quickly go home.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

another_story wrote: post #341
pastacacioepepe wrote: post #285

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The USA have ~800 military bases over 85 different countries. Russia has 21, all in neighbouring countries. China has only 1 foreign base in Djibouti. Who's acting outside of their borders again?

I don't care about the US in this instance, but how many of those bases are wanted by the countries they are in? In most cases it seems US citizens are subsidizing the defense of many other countries.

No. Read more history and you'll understand how the US came to have so many foreign bases. Spoiler, they are not the world's saviors.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

josephcsible wrote: post #442
Schroedingersat wrote: post #435

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Define wanted? In Australia's case they're 'wanted' by the government insofar as the PM that tried to get rid of them was unlawfully ejected from parliament. Tye populace are at best indifferent, and this is after decades of pro US propaganda. Most of these 'wanted' bases are wanted in the same way the subjects of any other protection racket want their opressor.

In a protection racket, isn't the victim paying the oppressor money for "protection"? But when the US maintains foreign military bases, isn't the US footing the bill?

Except any country hosting US military bases basically loses their sovereignty. Once you have these bases, you can not discuss removing them. You can not debate the alliance with the US. You can not say no when they ask you to fuck up your entire economy to slightly damage Russia, even tho Russia poses no threat to you nor ever had.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by neilsense »

parasti wrote: post #548
neilsense wrote: post #534

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A tiny population rarely in control of their own future, and ethnically + culturally acceptable to the US.

Let me rephrase your comment: "Eastern European opinion on Russia doesn't matter because they've suffered and continue to suffer from Russian imperialism".

No, please don't speak for me.

If anything, my point was the same but for people in Asia in regards to China/Russia.

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Post by lm28469 »

Calvin02 wrote: post #223
madeofpalk wrote: post #216

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As a non-US, non-Chinese citizen, is there something that makes TikTok espionage and Facebook not? Or is it just "china scary"?

Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

> Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world.

It's all perspective, China and Russia say the exact same thing about the US.

Can't believe people still fail for that kind of propaganda...

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

arroz wrote: post #493
Schroedingersat wrote: post #435

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Define wanted? In Australia's case they're 'wanted' by the government insofar as the PM that tried to get rid of them was unlawfully ejected from parliament. Tye populace are at best indifferent, and this is after decades of pro US propaganda. Most of these 'wanted' bases are wanted in the same way the subjects of any other protection racket want their opressor.

oh yeah China is engaging (though not declaring) economic war with Australia but ok keep pretending Australia doesn’t want US protection

Since when do you need military bases to defend against economic war?

Furthermore, the US is waging economic war on half the world since I have memory of it, isn't it time the rest of the world starts to protect themselves?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by pastacacioepepe »

throwawaymaths wrote: post #509
lmm wrote: post #249

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> While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still a largely law abiding. Perhaps on an internal level. But for those of us in third countries what matters is how they act outside their borders, and the US is doing considerably more dronestriking of their political enemies than China is. (And even if you just look at domestic aspects, the relevant area is one of the exceptions. The NSA seems…

I'm all about criticizing the us for the drone striking it's doing (and how our media underreported it -- try getting stats of how many strikes Obama delivered, you can only get straight answers about individual regions, not a totalled number). I think the reason the US gets a pass in the international political zeitgeist is that it's motives serve a greater peace. In the past imperial powers have largely used their…

> I think the reason the US gets a pass in the international political zeitgeist is that it's motives serve a greater peace

lol, PLEASE

The US Has Been at war 225 out of 243 years since 1776

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Post by trasz »

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #367
trasz wrote: post #115

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>We (europeans and americans) cant do really anything in China We - Europeans and pretty much anyone who's not an American - can't do really anything in US.

That’s not remotely true. You can open a Wyoming LLC and be off to the races in under 48 hours and under $100. I personally know people from half a dozen countries who have done so. Where in the world is more convenient for a foreigner to start and run a business?

I can register certain types of business, but I can’t do anything that actually matters, like entering the country. According to US law I’m not even a proper human, so I could get lawfully executed on the spot, as evidenced by numerous dronings.

To compare, within EU I have all the usual rights, from establishing a company to healthcare.

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