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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by arroz »

tenpies wrote: post #315
illuminati1911 wrote: post #309

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It's exactly 1 and 2 why the world largely considers the US such a threat. Any disagreement is discounted as "you're just ignorant and don't have a real opinion" followed by "you need to trust The Experts, but only the ones that agree with us". It has been a hoot to watch the US Democrats and all their useful idiots turn these arguments against the rest of the US over the last 6 years. Probably ends as well as Afghan…

China has also invaded Vietnam

Russia has also invaded Afghanistan

FYI

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by galactus »

arroz wrote: post #490
_tik_ wrote: post #487

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"more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII" What rules and order that justified by Invading Iraq

Yeah the US invaded Irak many years ago. Today we have Russia invading Irak and China threatening to invade Taiwan.

You have to understand that, for the rest of the world, seeing the US act is if invading another country was the worst thing anyone could do is highly hopocritical

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by arroz »

Schroedingersat wrote: post #435
another_story wrote: post #341

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I don't care about the US in this instance, but how many of those bases are wanted by the countries they are in? In most cases it seems US citizens are subsidizing the defense of many other countries.

Define wanted? In Australia's case they're 'wanted' by the government insofar as the PM that tried to get rid of them was unlawfully ejected from parliament. Tye populace are at best indifferent, and this is after decades of pro US propaganda. Most of these 'wanted' bases are wanted in the same way the subjects of any other protection racket want their opressor.

oh yeah China is engaging (though not declaring) economic war with Australia but ok keep pretending Australia doesn’t want US protection

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by arroz »

wangii wrote: post #482
Calvin02 wrote: post #223

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Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

when was the last time China invaded another country and killed hundreds of thousands? I really not interested in arguing good vs. evil, China VS US, but your blindness is just amazing!

I think it was Vietnam, after US vs Vietnam

Though the Chinese are everyday provoking Taiwan like crazy nowadays and does a hell lot of economic coercion to other countries

They also had some recent borders disputes with India which did end up with deaths

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by galactus »

xwolfi wrote: post #362
Calvin02 wrote: post #223

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Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

I am a bit unnerved each time I read an american using this self referential logic that the US are good because the US are good. We dont all want to live in a theocratic bi-party corporatist paradise, crushed by personal loans to cure grandma s broken leg, to exgaerate a bit. I live in China and while I dislike the communists just as much as the next guy, I'm quite unsure what's so good about the US. It's just as muc…

The extent at which so many americans are absolutely convinced they are “the good guys” of the world is simply amazing. A real testimony of the power of american propaganda.

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Post by throwawaymaths »

fabianhjr wrote: post #238
Calvin02 wrote: post #223

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Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

I am from latin america and at least neither China nor Russia have participated in coup d'etat to install a military junta to then torture and massacre anyone slightly left of the US "Democratic" Party. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2khAmMTAjI

Russia definitely has, just not as much in your backyard. China hasn't, but that's probably because the last time they tried that they got their ass handed to them by a country that had just been savagely attacked by (but also defeated) the us. Also it has been slowly encroaching on India and bhutan territory. China definitely declares it's intent to export it's style of polity around the world. And that does include torturing and disappearing citizens that are supposed to be on their own watch.

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Post by arroz »

lenkite wrote: post #464
chii wrote: post #455

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and by defining their opinion on the past rather than the current geopolitical environment, they would be prone to fall prey to china and russian influence. If they've got to be under the thumb of some foreign power, they ought to choose the US over china or russia. At least in a democracy, there's ways to change the public opinion.

"and by defining their opinion on the past rather than the current geopolitical environment" Yeah, who cares about the bad stuff 3-5-10-20 years in the past! All those US wars and coups are not applicable since the USA has turned into a bright, shiny fairy now! "If they've got to be under the thumb of some foreign power, they ought to choose the US over china or russia." Yeah, the US holding a gun to your head and sa…

Well if you put bad things in the past 3-5 years, China and Russia have a lot on their hands

Russia: uses their natural resources as weapons, invaded Ukraine, supports dictatorship in Syria

China: embargoes anyone that dares to have a relationship with Taiwan or talks bad about the CCP, provokes Taiwan like crazy, likely will invade it in the next 10 years

This is just the recent stuff, China has invaded Vietnam and fought against UN coalition that was protecting South Korea against North Korea aggression

Russia has done so much ** i am going to take too long to write

And these are only what affect other countries, they have done horrible things to their domestic population as well…

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by throwawaymaths »

_tik_ wrote: post #488
illuminati1911 wrote: post #311

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USA during Reagan in 1980s != USA today

Iraq Invasion is the USA today

No? We finally had a president that hasn't started a new war (trump) and we are on track to having a president that hasn't started a new war and has withdrawn troops from one war. Things are changing.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by arroz »

amit9gupta wrote: post #290
Calvin02 wrote: post #223

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Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

The US is law abiding only when it is in their interest. The rest of the time they either flout law or bend it. How many other nations have effected: directly or covertly, the change in another countries leadership only for their own selfish interests? .. . as much as the US?

As much as the US none because no country has ever been this strong

But it has happened

China tried with Vietnam but failed

Russia tried with Afghanistan but failed

France under Napoleon could do a lot of stuff in continental Europe

And the list goes on

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by arroz »

Barrin92 wrote: post #280
Calvin02 wrote: post #223

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Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. While the US and the western governments have their issues, they are still largely law abiding. China, however, is not. Additionally, under Xi, it has become more authoritarian and more willing to undo the rules based order that has someone kept the world somewhat sane since WWII. I don’t know why anyone would be…

>Yes. China and Russia are the biggest geopolitical threats to the world. It is surprisingly that simple. You may want to consult the so called 'global south' on that question who represents the majority of people on the planet and seems to have quite a different impression. Undoing America's 'rule based order' isn't a geopolitical threat to the world, it's a geopolitical threat to the US. Why would billions of peopl…

Global south is not the majority of the population

And I am from the global south, I don’t know anyone that thinks the US is a threat

China and Russia on the other hand, yes, very much

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