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The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Like kevinmchugh pointed out, imagine parentheses to group "(Christian Science) Monitor". Christian Science is a set of beliefs that the "First Church of Christ, Scientist" adhere to. Stuff like the belief that disease is a mental error rather than physical disorder, and that the sick should be treated not by medicine but by a form of prayer that seeks to correct the beliefs responsible for the illusion of ill health…

Fair enough. Though I do want to say anecdotally at least that mind over matter can be pretty powerful stuff... Placebo's and Nocebo effects wouldn't exist without it.

True. I'd still rather listen to what my oncologist has to say, though.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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That’s some top level conspiracy theory. First, Who shoots someone just because of “connections”? Why not go after the church itself? Further; this person got two shots off over a 4-5 second period. Just walked up to one of the most powerful politicians in Japan. I personally feel there’s something more to this — gross negligence or a conspiracy idk. The communist opposition was actively calling for his overthrow by…

> China has been celebrating his death.

You mean some people on Weibo? Lol.

It's also not surprising that some people would view him unfavorably when he denied Japanese war crimes in the past.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Japanese people I know are adamant that Abe had no ties or did ever voice support for the Moon sect, ever. I am now wondering if Abe had kept it secret and the shooter somehow found out.

In the very link this post is about, there's a Youtube video of Abe giving a speech for the church in 2021.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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I don't completely buy the "religious group" reason given by the assassin. It might just be a convenient cover story for any "State Actors" behind the assassination. Shinzo Abe had been a real thorn in the side of China and North Korea by pushing a hard-line approach towards them. He had tremendous worldwide political/economic clout and was instrumental in establishing the "Pacific Quad" as a real challenge to China…

State sponsored assassinations are almost always immediately identifiable which means it's not going to work in their favour. Abe also retired at the end of 2020 and the amount of influence he can still exert is to prop up his own intra-party faction, not direct international policy. Sino-Japanese trade was also consistently growing in latter half of his term.

Real life isn't a fiction or video game. This type of whacky beer talk is neither interesting or amusing. Please familiarize yourself with some basic context of the subject before making grotesque insinuations about it.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

It's a disturbing trend and indicative of failing health / vibrancy of political systems. Same with running Hilary Clinton. Half of the entire point of the democratic turn in western states after the enlightenment and the French revolution was to attempt take power away from powerful families and abolish heritable power. I found it very alarming when Trudeau Jr was plucked out of relative obscurity and turned into a…

Mulcair was anything but strong. Everyone knew going into the 2015 election that the Orange Wave would recede. Mulcair's whole mission was to salvage enough of the wreck to make it not look downright embarassing. To do this he started softcore pandering to Quebec sovereignism, culminating in an utterly humiliating moment in the debates when he arrogantly grilled Trudeau about the threshold definition for Quebec sovereignty to happen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zwtU4KGGYVU

Wanna know how the NDP blew the majority polls early in that election? Yep, it was Mulcair, who was anything but strong.

Politics in its modern form is often a full-time job. To climb the ladder often means one must start early, yet this job is anything but stable. Most regular families can't really afford the risk or downsides. Political dynasties have the advantage of existing connections, as well as inter-generational resources that aren't available in other families. In this video https://youtu.be/XqjQ6gqgi0w?t=41 you can see Trudeau Jr.'s behaviour was clearly groomed for attending public functions. This was a headstart that many others don't have when they go into politics well into adulthood. The same phenomenon is present in Japan, just at a much larger extent. Social connections is an asset without form, and naturally it can get passed down generations like other assets. Why abandon them when they can be used advance your career. Unless we adopt ancient Athenian procedures of ostracism, political dynasties will exist. And ostracism will not happen because it was idiotic and backfired badly.

Justin Trudeau had been a MP for 5 years when he became the Liberal leader. Their party was in crisis mode after a decade of consecutive seat losses. Trudeau was the button behind their "break in case of emergency" glass, and it worked for them because the same effect resonated with the voter base.

Modern politicians in developed elective democratic countries aren't benevolent despots, and no single person's brain has the capacity to process or react to everything going on in the world at this day and age. This means they have lots of advisors to handle most of that processing and decision suggestions. The relief of this burden means a good modern politican doesn't have to be good at policy - they become another type of influencer whose first and foremost focus is charisma. Zelensky is another example.

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Case in point, the death of Epstein.

I'm genuinely curious. What hidden but verifiable facts have been hidden from the public with respect to the Epstein death?

Not much was hidden, the issue is the pantomime that it was completely reasonable to expect that a suicide of such a figure when the cameras were off and the guards weren't aware the cameras were off is a complete coincidence, and playing coy with his connections to the elite. Those facts weren't hidden but they weren't mentioned far less than they should and eventually not at all. Beyond that the media failed in their duty to confront the authorities.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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>They are apocalyptic/UFO/meditation cult I didn't see anything like you describe[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong#Central_teachings

>through a process of moral cultivation, one can achieve Tao and obtain special powers and a level of divinity If you read their books (e.g. https://falundafa.org/eng/eng/pdf/flg_en.pdf , just search for "David Copperfield"), they elaborate a bit more on the potential supernatural abilities that one can achieve through meditation.

Nothing they do is unique or substantially different than many of the Asiatic religions that have existed. People tend to fear what they don't understand.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

Singapore is even more interesting with Lee Kuan Yew and Lee Hsien Long.

Singapore is a flawed democracy at best.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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I don't completely buy the "religious group" reason given by the assassin. It might just be a convenient cover story for any "State Actors" behind the assassination. Shinzo Abe had been a real thorn in the side of China and North Korea by pushing a hard-line approach towards them. He had tremendous worldwide political/economic clout and was instrumental in establishing the "Pacific Quad" as a real challenge to China…

State sponsored assassinations are almost always immediately identifiable which means it's not going to work in their favour. Abe also retired at the end of 2020 and the amount of influence he can still exert is to prop up his own intra-party faction, not direct international policy. Sino-Japanese trade was also consistently growing in latter half of his term. Real life isn't a fiction or video game. This type of wha…

>State sponsored assassinations are almost always immediately identifiable

This is clueless and childish naivete; do you believe everything you see and hear? In Geopolitics one should never ever accept the superficial and face-value explanation but should always try to look behind the curtain.

There is a reason China is celebrating his assassination. Abe was single-handedly responsible for establishing, driving and bankrolling the Quad (Quadrilateral Security Dialogue between USA, Japan, India and Australia) which is a direct and serious threat to China. And no he didn't disappear after retirement as you seem to think; men of his stature and influence always have the ear of policy makers until the end.

We will see what the investigators uncover but nobody should buy assassin confessed simplistic explanations until we have more information. It is but one plausible explanation among a set which needs to be "proven". Until then we need to explore all possibilities.

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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But we aren't talking about unsolved murders. You already can't release a name for those because they're unsolved . Witnesses and informants already have knowledge that a crime was committed. They can come forward on their own. Otherwise, investigators have to track them down anyways. The fact that we know who has perpetrated the crime makes it much easier to find any links because the investigators have access to th…

It refutes your point that digital evidence is enough. It's clearly not. So the original point was correct.

Where did I say that? I remember saying in the digital age those connections are easier to make. Once they know the individual, they have vast digital resources to make the connections. Digital evidence can lead to physical or bystander evidence. I don't see any refutation. Even if my point was somehow invalid, that doesn't make your point correct. That would be a fallacy.
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