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Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by rachelbythebay »

lsc wrote: post #221
rachelbythebay wrote: post #201

At Google, Sr. SWE makes about $155K if female, about $180K if male. Base salary. Bonuses and refresher grants are also skewed accordingly. These are 2011 numbers, personally researched.

From what I've seen, as an outsider with a lot of friends that work at and/or have interviewed at Google, they seem to have some serious issues with sexisim, issues that go beyond a pay gap. They are trying, but man, they are not doing so well, and they are losing out on talent because of it.

So check this out. I finally have a data point to use to prove this. I've been out of there about six months. One of my friends recently transitioned male-to-female. This is a unique opportunity to find out, right?

She is now being passed up by people visiting her team's cube to ask about things regarding the service. Their default response is to go ask the guys in the cube instead.

"Welcome to my world", I said.

Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by rachelbythebay »

savrajsingh wrote: post #219
rachelbythebay wrote: post #201

At Google, Sr. SWE makes about $155K if female, about $180K if male. Base salary. Bonuses and refresher grants are also skewed accordingly. These are 2011 numbers, personally researched.

I'm surprised that gender-based pay differences aren't addressed at Google?

They can't even buy the right numbers of T-Shirts (hint: unisex isn't. One word: breasts), so why would they get the big stuff right?

Seriously, ask any woman who's still left in SRE about the Mission Control jackets in 2008-9. There was an impressive post-mortem written about it earlier this year right before I left.

Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by apotheon »

iradik wrote: post #84
rudy750 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you or anyone else know how much/little Google outsources their development work? I was having a discussion with a fellow engineer about the outsourcing model and innovation.

They outsource by buying startups.

Wouldn't that be more like "insourcing"?

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Post by siromega »

strlen wrote: post #187

This is completely believable, if you take into account the bonus and the RSUS. Suppose the actual salary is $130k and 30% (at least that's what I heard bonus): that already brings his salary up to $169k. Now add RSUs: over the last five years, the average price had been ~$500/share. He will only need an RSU grant of ~650 RSUs (which sounds reasonable, especially if it was granted in 2008/2009 when the stock price wa…

This is very true. I know some lawyers who, when they graduated law school and joined their firm, were told by the partners to get a better car as quickly as they can afford it, preferably a BMW. Even if you already have a nice vehicle already, they want a luxury model.

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Post by tptacek »

xenophanes wrote: post #214
tptacek wrote: post #169

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Current pay is used in salary reviews everywhere. But that's obviously a terrible, terrible reason not to negotiate today. How can you possibly be worse off in a salary raise negotiation than by having the money you deserved at entry held by the employer as a concession at your employment review ? The go-to person for the hardest problems (who you generally want to be) is usually not chosen by the person who controls…

Thank you for your comments in this whole thread, tptacek.

Um go me!

Some errors in my previous comments:

I meant "call you in on weekends", not "weekdays", and I meant "at your performance review", not "at your employment review".

Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by lsc »

rachelbythebay wrote: post #231
lsc wrote: post #221

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I've seen, as an outsider with a lot of friends that work at and/or have interviewed at Google, they seem to have some serious issues with sexisim, issues that go beyond a pay gap. They are trying, but man, they are not doing so well, and they are losing out on talent because of it.

So check this out. I finally have a data point to use to prove this. I've been out of there about six months. One of my friends recently transitioned male-to-female. This is a unique opportunity to find out, right? She is now being passed up by people visiting her team's cube to ask about things regarding the service. Their default response is to go ask the guys in the cube instead. "Welcome to my world", I said.

I'd expect discrimination against transexuals to be much stronger than anything else, so I'm not sure that proves anything about how women in general are treated.

One of the things I notice is that the satisfaction levels of men and women I know working at google, even normalizing for skill level, is vastly different.

You don't sound particularly happy; why are you still there? my impression is that there are other places with cultures that are better at least in that regard.

Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by rachelbythebay »

lsc wrote: post #237
rachelbythebay wrote: post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So check this out. I finally have a data point to use to prove this. I've been out of there about six months. One of my friends recently transitioned male-to-female. This is a unique opportunity to find out, right? She is now being passed up by people visiting her team's cube to ask about things regarding the service. Their default response is to go ask the guys in the cube instead. "Welcome to my world", I said.

I'd expect discrimination against transexuals to be much stronger than anything else, so I'm not sure that proves anything about how women in general are treated. One of the things I notice is that the satisfaction levels of men and women I know working at google, even normalizing for skill level, is vastly different. You don't sound particularly happy; why are you still there? my impression is that there are other p…

I left back in May. Now I'm in a spot where the culture is entirely my own creation: working for myself. If it works, then I win.

Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by plunchete »

stef25 wrote: post #130
raldi wrote: post #37

Speaking as a Google engineer: There are three components to compensation here. Base salary, annual cash bonus, and stock grants. When he says he "takes home" $250k, he probably means the sum of all three. When the author says he thought the average Google salary was $130k, he might be referring just to the base. Most of the comments in this thread are similarly ambiguous. If you post a comment, please be clear about…

Without wanting to sound stupid, when you talk about salaries do you always mention the amount before or after tax? Here in Europe it's almost always after tax.

Spain and Luxembourg also before taxes

Re: Programmers' salaries at Google $250k (and up)

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Post by oelewapperke »

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #189
gwillen wrote: post #21

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You are right on the money. Starting a startup while working for Google would be an absolute non-starter. Any code you write, they own (within certain restrictions that end up being so broad as not to matter.) And moonlighting in a business that competes with Google would be grounds for termination.

Google does not own anything you do on your own time. It's unfortunate that so many engineers believe and propagate this myth.

Under American law, they do. Now it's a multinational and the situation may vary across the world, but in California, they do.
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