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As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by throwaway4good »

Quillbert182 wrote: post #109
throwaway4good wrote: post #59

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TikTok's data centers are in the US.

That doesn’t mean China can’t access the data, and we have no guarantees that there aren’t copies of all that data in China.

Yes. What would be a good way to regulate this; still allowing open and fair competition while protecting the privacy of the broad population?

So if the EU forces Facebook to store EU's citizens data in the EU. What would prevent Facebook copying that data to the US?

Or have some American (potentially working for the NSA) remotely accessing EU data?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by mantas »

voisin wrote: post #58
mantas wrote: post #40

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US social media amplifies human nature which isn't pretty. Meanwhile CCP's love to building facades of utopias produces this... Utopias are nice till you step out of line and it becomes dystopia, eh?

> US social media amplifies human nature which isn't pretty. If you only consume western media and social networks, this is certainly the conclusion you are led to. But if you observe your surroundings with your own eyes, my experience is that there is a stark contrast with the above quote. I have travelled continuously all over the west for the last five years and I have found people to be kind, generous, and friend…

Majority of people ain't on social media either. Well, they may be lurking or registered at most, but won't post or comment much if at all.

And then there's a portion of nice people who will befriend you and then use for their benefit.

And then there's one's own bias. When traveling, at a random city in foreign country you'll probably pick a bar accordingly, skip heated topics and distance yourself from people that may cause trouble. Meanwhile engagement-driven interwebs make sure you meet such people and keep discussing.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by ConstantVigil »

trasz wrote: post #108
ConstantVigil wrote: post #95

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Not the person you are asking, but I think I have a point that can help shed some light on the matter. I'm going to be speaking from the Canadian side of things, and so I'll be saying 'We' a lot due to the US and Canada tending to trade alike in a lot of ways AFAIK. Ultimately, it all boils down to known trajectories. The EU and other places in the general area such as the UK, are all known to have histories of their…

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Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by BuyMyBitcoins »

bigcat12345678 wrote: post #73
crmd wrote: post #28

85% of US teenagers use tiktok. That's 85% of the future generation of US senators, Cabinet members, and Supreme Court justices, of police chiefs, civil rights activists, mayors, CEOs, etc. in their bedrooms right now consuming content curated by, and filming their lives and that of their friends, and uploading the video to data centers, that are controlled by a strategic adversary of the United States. This is, to p…

> 85% of US teenagers use tiktok. That's 85% of the future generation of US senators, Cabinet members, and Supreme Court justices, of police chiefs, civil rights activists, mayors, CEOs, etc. What's the basis of social elites are coming uniformly from the population? I think it's obvious that the social elites in all areas are predominantly from wealthy and affluent families. So the line of thinking of 85% teens corr…

I feel like the 15% that do not use TikTok are more likely to be from lower class or impoverished families. Likely because they have limited access to smartphones or electronics of their own.

I’m sure there are “elite” families who strictly forbid their children from using social media, but I suspect this population is very low. In my own anecdotal experience, the most affluent teens had the most access to drugs and things our parents forbade us from having.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by meowtimemania »

OJFord wrote: post #89
dijit wrote: post #60

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This might sound like a fallacious argument; but do you think the same about Europeans who consume almost exclusively US media and interact almost exclusively with US social media platforms? The US (famously) does not have Allies, only temporary allegiances. If you're discussing ties to government, Twitter and Facebook have members on their boards publicly who are sitting and/or former members of government including…

We won't really find out until there's a big European social media platform or whatever - I agree with you it's weird, but the obvious response (and you've received it) is along the lines of conjecturing that they wouldn't worry about UK-Tok, Têtebook, or Deutschezon. Maybe that's right. It'd be fun to find out. (Also for other reasons, come on, what's going on that there isn't really even one to name?)

there is spotify which I think is winning in the us

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

meowtimemania wrote: post #91
okasaki wrote: post #45

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Indeed, abortion is legal in China[1], the last time a police officer killed someone was in 2019[2] and their incarceration rate is 5x lower[3]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abortion_in_China [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_killings_by_law_enforc... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarcera...

It's ironic you even mention abortion, given that abortions were forced to maintain the one child policy until 2015, and then 3 child policy until 2021. Is not the government's absolute power to control family size the most blaring example of authoritarianism?

In the West, the abortion thing is a (ideally immutable) moral line in the sand.

In China, it's just an instrument the state turns on and off as needed for population control.

The difference in approaches is so interesting.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by aparticulate »

trasz wrote: post #108
ConstantVigil wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the person you are asking, but I think I have a point that can help shed some light on the matter. I'm going to be speaking from the Canadian side of things, and so I'll be saying 'We' a lot due to the US and Canada tending to trade alike in a lot of ways AFAIK. Ultimately, it all boils down to known trajectories. The EU and other places in the general area such as the UK, are all known to have histories of their…

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You are asking whether sporadic US police abuses and a literal police state stack up comparably in terms of human rights?

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by dijit »

OJFord wrote: post #89
dijit wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This might sound like a fallacious argument; but do you think the same about Europeans who consume almost exclusively US media and interact almost exclusively with US social media platforms? The US (famously) does not have Allies, only temporary allegiances. If you're discussing ties to government, Twitter and Facebook have members on their boards publicly who are sitting and/or former members of government including…

We won't really find out until there's a big European social media platform or whatever - I agree with you it's weird, but the obvious response (and you've received it) is along the lines of conjecturing that they wouldn't worry about UK-Tok, Têtebook, or Deutschezon. Maybe that's right. It'd be fun to find out. (Also for other reasons, come on, what's going on that there isn't really even one to name?)

The majority of the time something successful comes out of the EU, the US buys it wholesale.

Skype, Shazam, iZettle, Mojang etc

I’m not sure it would be different for social networks. (similar to how the match group owns practically all the dating sites and apps; interestingly I just found out that the match group refused to pull out of Russia.)

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by illiac786 »

trasz wrote: post #104
ralusek wrote: post #80

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EU and US are both fundamentally liberal democracies and not adversarial. China is an authoritarian single party state which openly declares the US an enemy...

Because of course a two party system is fundamentally different from one party one :-D

I'm assuming there is irony and you mean 2 is not enough. But it's still day and night compared to single party, irony is not an argument in itself.

Re: As TikTok grows, so does suspicion

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Post by naavis »

jjeaff wrote: post #146
paulcole wrote: post #128

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A world where we want $29 microwaves and iPhones produced 24/7 and delivered to our doorstep. People in America need China in order to keep living the lives we have.

I'm not so sure that is really true anymore. I think that was the case in the past, when most manufacturing was very labor intensive. But now, so much is automated that things could be made anywhere for almost as cheap. Unfortunately, the US doesn't really have the infrastructure and capabilities to do so now.

So effectively they couldn't be made just anywhere, if they can't be made in the US?
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