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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by 15155 »

giantg2 wrote: post #245
15155 wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pen the statue for us, what would one look like that would stop this type of release of names?

If you read the study, there is a link to the FBI guidelines. Essentially, don't name the shooter. It would also be beneficial not to linger on one negative event for a week or more, but that's not as easy to limit. Ideally we would want journalists and networks to practice responsibility and leave out the name voluntarily, but it seems the drive for profit makes it necessary to step in with a legal solution. https:/…

I agree that the media should not glamorize these bad actors.

> Why don't we create a law

I was asking which statue would prevent this. How would that statue read? What would be "easy to limit?"

Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by fomine3 »

suction wrote: post #150

Japanese people I know are adamant that Abe had no ties or did ever voice support for the Moon sect, ever. I am now wondering if Abe had kept it secret and the shooter somehow found out.

Abe-unification relation is well written by some media so it can be easily found, but maybe not well known for who only watch TV and newspaper.

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Post by [deleted] »

willcipriano wrote: post #272
mkr-hn wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_2016_Uni... >> 'A 2018 study found that media coverage of Trump led to increased public support for him during the primaries. The study showed that Trump received nearly $2 billion in free media, more than double any other candidate. Political scientist John M. Sides argued that Trump's polling surge was "almost certainly" due to frequent media…

This proves quite the opposite once you have a bit of context. This was the strategy of the DNC, they thought Trump would be easier to beat so they promoted his campaign. > How the Hillary Clinton campaign deliberately "elevated" Donald Trump with its "pied piper" strategy > In its self-described "pied piper" strategy, the Clinton campaign proposed intentionally cultivating extreme right-wing presidential candidates,…

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Re: The Crime That Killed Shinzo Abe

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Post by kragen »

rtpg wrote: post #233
KaiserPro wrote: post #73

This is a lot of words for the basic conjecture that he was killed by/for being a moonie. The problem with this reporting is that it takes the killer's supposed words at face value. This is a big risk, especially as at this stage we are not entirely certain that those words are accurate. Now, this may eventually appear to be the case, but the level of certainty presented in this article is unfounded.

This article is within the more general context, but we have the words of the assassin, discussion by the police of not wanting to discuss the church specifically for the “obvious” reasons, the mother of the assassin being identified by the church as being a member… “it happened because of X” is maybe very strong but lots of the story does align and is being corroborated.

What were the words of the assassin?

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Post by numpad0 »

pppq wrote: post #277
numpad0 wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was a four letter name that I’m not comfortable posting here…

Sorry, I don't understand. Why is it uncomfortable to name a piece of software?

Oh no. I failed to include that part in the original comment. The logic was that the name(think “LordVoldemort.exe”) cannot be aired or published, so authorities cannot communicate arrests to the public, which makes it moot to do so, thereby shielding the users.

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Post by rossdavidh »

dav_Oz wrote: post #165

As an incidental remark: I find it remarkable that on the surface I now know of three G7 countries / liberal democracies where the PM/President is the (grand)son of a PM/President himself. Bush Sr - Bush Jr Pierre Trudeau - Justin Trudeau Nobusuke Kishi - (Shintaro Abe; FM) - Shinzo Abe [Honorary mention: France with "Le Pen" both father & daughter made it to the second round in the presidential elections (2002; 2017…

The U.S. had John and John Quincy Adams and William Henry and Benjamin Harrison. Al Gore was the son of a Senator, and John F Kennedy's family had numerous high-profile politicians, including his father being US Ambassador to the UK. This is not a new development. Not saying it's good, just that it's not new.

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

jmcgough wrote: post #188
cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

They aren't nearly as influential as you might think, especially in modern times. Maybe they were during the cold war or when they protested in support of Nixon. Their media reach is pretty limited, The Washington Times has a small number of readers. Edit: to the comment about $2B: that's almost mostly belonging to the founder who takes his money from followers. $2B is 130k a person when we're talking about 15,000 fo…

A big reason they aren't as influential anymore is because Reverend Moon died, and there is currently a battle royale going on between his widow and some of his batshit insane kids [1] over his fortune.

The True World Foods story is truly fascinating to me. Since slavery is illegal, better to get true believers to work long and hard nearly for free.

1. https://www.the-sun.com/news/us-news/2977349/inside-maga-sup...

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Post by boeingUH60 »

donatj wrote: post #206
cvccvroomvroom wrote: post #100

The Moonies, often represented in America by some unfortunate Korean boy or girl, beg for money at American universities in exchange for food and lodging. It's essentially human trafficking and indentured servitude because they're trapped in a foreign country. So, if see someone who doesn't speak English who shoved a photo montage flip book clipboard of deprivation in front of you, think twice before giving them mone…

Replace "Moonie" with any mainstream religion and mention of race with the race such religion most widely applies to, and I hope the bigotry of this comment becomes far more clear.

Eh..not really. Moonie is a specific religious sect (and a horrible, vile, dim-witted one without sugar-coating). If you ask me, they should be singled out and massively shamed for their atrocities.

Mainstream religions like Christianity and Islam have billions of adherents between them and aren't a single group. They're many sub-sets within them, many of whom aren't fond of each other, so you can't generalize with that case.

Call it "bigotry"...but what else can we say about a "church" whose adherents bless their AR-15 and wear a crown of bullets [1]. It's not bigotry to be scared of such loons and the kind of havoc they can potentially cause.

Religious freedom does not give people the authority to be nuisances within their community.

1- https://www.vox.com/2018/3/1/17067894/church-bullet-crowns-a...

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Post by mkr-hn »

wronglyprepaid wrote: post #224
mkr-hn wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You sure about that? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_coverage_of_the_2016_Uni... >> 'A 2018 study found that media coverage of Trump led to increased public support for him during the primaries. The study showed that Trump received nearly $2 billion in free media, more than double any other candidate. Political scientist John M. Sides argued that Trump's polling surge was "almost certainly" due to frequent media…

Not sure how what you cites implies the media was fawning over Trump, if I recall correctly the coverage was not exactly positive, and I explicitly mentioned singing the praises of, not just reporting.

That was going off of memory. I might be wrong about that part.
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