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The world needs a non-profit search engine

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Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#111

How is the name of the site pronounced? “Mah-wim-ball”? Google’s name was so ubiquitous it became a verb, Duck Duck Go is a smart memorable name. Mwmbl is a challenging product name, even if the .org domain name was available.

This particular letter-sequence is an extremely unfortunate choice and should be reconsidered imho.

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have family members who use google to navigate. Instead of writing facebook.com in the URL-bar, they search for facebook and click the first link...

Honestly that is probably safer. Having a typo in the url could Easley give you a phishing link. However, I also have gotten fishing adds when looking websites up so it’s not cut and dry at all.

Easley, I have to ask, was that a typo or highlighting your point?

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#114
I think that we are past the point the search engine could just crawl the web and rank results based on some heuristics. We need both community curation and get librarians involved with their classification systems, because in 3 years the results are going to be dominated by automated GPT-xy content farms.

Case in point: www.forkandspoonkitchen.org

The first search engine that provides community curation and manages to get most tech-savvy people on board, classifying the content for free, is going to reign in the upcoming decade as Google loses its grip.

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#115

This seems really really naive. Do you really think a non-profit is going to fight the hordes of spammers, scammers, seo masses, mechanical turk hordes, etc that are going to game your system?

Not sure I missed the sarcasm here. Why would a non-profit not fight spam etc.? Why would a for-profit fight spam do so? I see the largest internet companies, including Facebook, Twitter, and also Google, fight spam and other harmful content only to the degree absolutely necessary to stay somewhat usable. Which makes sense because it's costly and does not generate profit. I would expect a non-profit, however, to focu…

The general answer here is that a nonprofit cannot maintain the (massive) amount of resources it takes to address spam/abuse/blackhat SEO etc, while a for-profit entity ostensibly has a profit motive to do a decent job, and the resources to do so.

When a for profit entity is more successful at fighting abuse, their users are happier and they sell more ads and so can devote more resources to fighting spam. When a nonprofit successfully fights spam, they don't get more resources, and the spammers upgrade their toolboxes, because they do have a profit incentive.

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#116

One feature that I really wish more search engines would have is the ability to blocklist certain domains, particularly ones whose results are never relevant or helpful to the query itself (Pinterest, Quora, etc). It could even be used as a factor in the site’s search rankings.

Back in the day it was just w3schools i wished I could block. I still do, but now there are countless others as well. Quora in particular.

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#117
I am conflicted when it comes to stuff like that:

- on the one hand I really want free, open and non profit services to succeed

- at the same time I greatly value the user experience

Don't get me wrong: These two things can go hand in hand. There are tons of good examples out there.

But, the closer you get to classic user-centric applications and leave the software developer bubble, the greater the discrepancy becomes in my experience. Brave, DuckDuckGo, Firefox and so on are desirable. But I always feel like I am missing out on the UX.

Google still yields better search results FOR ME(even with all those ads and clickbait).

Firefox still feels a bit dated and slow compared to Chrome.

I value the positive effects of free software so much that I am willing to accept limitations in usability in the hope that it will improve over time. But I feel like it should not be this way.

I can't support every project financially or contribute to its success as a contributor. My time and financial resources are limited.

I haven't really found a solution for this problem. My best guess is that the government should intervene in the free market and install market barriers to tame giants like Google. But this is repugnant to the liberal in me.

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#118

I think Google's results could be a lot better but I'm relatively ok with my search being provided by a for profit company. Their incentive is to get me to want to use their product. A non profit with that much power might be more tempted to manipulate search in ways that suit their personal preferences.

I don't mind profits but monopolies are always bad for the consumer. I wonder what innovation would have happened in search if it had been more competitive.

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#119
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Perhaps a better approach would be building an open source www index or even a full current cache - as an enabler for people to build their own search engines? That's a excellent idea! In the spirit of open-data, and people can do with it what they want.

I think this is a great idea. How does this work with copyright? Search engines seem to be able to download a reproduce content from scraped pages (and wrap it in ads, and derive content from it) this is called “indexing” when they do it but scraping when everyone else does it.

> and wrap it in ads, and derive content from it

i am probably missing something but can you give an example where this happens?

Re: The world needs a non-profit search engine

#120
The biggest challenge with making a search engine is to combat adversarial SEO. It's an issue that's very easy to be overlooked when you are small, but at Google scale, your enemies have billions of dollars to make from your visitors.

I bet Google spends at least as much to combat that, and it's extremely hard to deal with while being open-source. It's useless to call for a non-profit search engine without tackling this very core issue.

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