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Re: I should have loved biology

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I love it! Much like the "I type a URL into my browser and press enter. What happens?" tech interview question.

Except it seems like a way harder question!

... it'll be fun if you start from what happens when the enter key is pressed- the mechanics and electronics involved in submitting that URL (and some chemistry and physics behind what your eyes see on the screen), the physical transmission of the signal from your computer to through the interwebs and some error correction protocols to ensure your signals are still useful.

Maybe toss a line or two in about the complexities of running a large data center and how your response time varies based on some sorcery.

Then you go the extra mile and weave a tale of electrons wrestling with their universe of invisible electromagnetic wave overlords that determine their fate while they embark on a treacherous journey to convey information thousands of kilometers across with blistering speed. Tell them of the aged electron saw a family member get attacked by a stray cosmic ray and the fright of the pack when one simply tunneled out of existence...

Re: I should have loved biology

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I think what is described here comes down to the fact that we don't have much (any?) _deep_ understanding of biology. The most concrete aspects of biology are observations. For example, anatomy is very well understood because it's essentially observations of structures within living organisms, as field it has been relatively stable for a long time, hence there are well-established methods for teaching anatomy. There'…

Hard disagree. We understand biology for the most part. The issue is in the exact implementations. An analogy would be like understanding how a computer works. We know how chips are made, the physics behind them. We know how bits are stored and processing steps are executed. We also know generally how operating systems work. We have the full compiled code as assembly instructions. But we don’t have the source code of…

Biology is incomparable to computers, or to any other man-made machine. In computers the components interact in well-defined separable and independent roles. In a biological organism, all components depend heavily on not just one or two other components, but many. The role we impute for each mechanism often interfere and/or collaborate with other seemingly unrelated mechanisms, often in hierarchical and nonlinear fashion. That's why the function of even simple biological subsystems is so challenging to decipher. Context and interdependency are everywhere. That's why the oxymoronicism of a biologist “fixing a radio” rings so true.

Re: I should have loved biology

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The obsession with taxonomy and categorization really ruins a lot of subjects in school. It kinda makes sense _why_ they are covered like this: It's really easy to “split” the syllabus into even chunks; it is a good fit for the memorization-based study techniques that are pervasive and it leads to a very “homogenous” learning experience regardless of the maturity and interests of each student. My main problem with it…

I sympathize, also being bad at and unhappy doing this kind of study. But to be fair to biology, its fundamental thing is the incredible variety of creatures in the world; their stunning diversity as well as similarities, family resemblances, and interactions.

Re: I should have loved biology

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There is a large gap between the mechanisms of chemistry and the magic of biology that most people do not see closed until late in their education. It's a real shame that this gap cannot be closed sooner. In undergrad I took a bunch of biology and chemistry classes. It wasn't until I took Biochemistry (a senior level class) that everything came together. The biochemistry class I took was a re-telling of all the stori…

> In undergrad I took a bunch of biology and chemistry classes. It wasn't until I took Biochemistry (a senior level class) that everything came together.

In high school I really hated biology and chemistry. It was just a bunch of abstract stuff. What made me (re)discover biology was taking up gardening. To me gardening is like applied biology. After a while you really start to get a sense of how it all works and just how unbelievably complex life systems are: photosynthesis, the carbon cycle, the different water cycles, how soil life affects the plants that grow in it, and how incredibly resourceful plants are in interacting with their environment (not to mention insects and other creatures higher up the food chain...)

Re: I should have loved biology

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I'd even claim that we don't really fully understand how computer systems work anymore. Let me explain.

When someone creates a new system, we could argue they have a complete understanding of it, since they build everything from the "ground up". Although even then, they use a particular level of abstraction - not necessarily needing to understand how third-party libraries work, or how it all translates to machine code etc.

Imagine now this person (or a team with equal understanding of the system) leaves, and another team joins. How are they supposed to "understand" it? They would have to piece together everything very much like we're trying to do in biology. Even when the original creators left a "plan" in the form of code, docs or even being accessible for Q&A, they cannot possibly verbalize all the minute details, because the complexity of the system is so large that they would have to spend an equal amount of time on explaining as on developing it. And that doesn't even account for random things or reasons they themselves forgot, or never understood in the first place.

As a result, we're left with only a partial understanding of the system, the level of which goes down the larger the system is. And as more teams join and develop their own pieces and leave, this knowledge gets diluted so much that it becomes hopeless to even reason about the whole thing.

So, I'd argue we can only strive to understand the most important pieces. And, just like we see in biology, the process of their discovery is mostly just educated trial-and-error, aided by the tools like better diagrams to speed up the process. And maybe that's OK, if the ultimate goal is to get to some practical results like curing a disease or expanding the business. We can discover the mechanisms that lead to reaching these goals, but if they aren't relevant, then it's just going to be an academic exercise and another data point in the trial-and-error (until someone discovers how to use it for some new goal!).

Re: I should have loved biology

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The obsession with taxonomy and categorization really ruins a lot of subjects in school. It kinda makes sense _why_ they are covered like this: It's really easy to “split” the syllabus into even chunks; it is a good fit for the memorization-based study techniques that are pervasive and it leads to a very “homogenous” learning experience regardless of the maturity and interests of each student. My main problem with it…

I agree. I know many who were driven away from appreciating biology due to its excess of nomenclature and memorization thereof. It's made worse because few terms reveal much depth of meaning about what it labels. Biology is made superficial because the language of the subject describes only surface, no depth.

That's not biology's fault. No language could hope to convey the full ‘personality’ of each character in a tale as rich and complex as unfolds in Lewis' “Life of a Cell”.

But maybe biology is ripe, now that we understand enough of its major 'characters' and their 'behaviors', for us to introduce more abstract models of biology using concepts and language that make for more intuitive players and their relationships. In this way, we might tell a more comprehensible and engaging narrative based on a much smaller set of reusable base models — the way that applied math expands on the concept of a computable function or the way electrical engineering builds on gaussian processes that model signals.

At the very least, I would LOVE for each chapter in a molecular bio textbook to be split into two parts — a short overview of the topic that follows with only the major components and activity described, and only then, to dive into the details. Seeing a city from high above it is an enormous help before trying to appreciate it on foot.

Re: I should have loved biology

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Exactly how I feel about it. I grew up in a town in the middle of a wilderness, surrounded in all directions by dozens of miles of amazing things in lakes, swamps and forests. What did we learn about them in the classroom? Nothing, seldom even mentioned. Then I learned to drive.

What do I remember from HS bio? Lists and lists of lists, uglenas and pseupodas. Way to kill the buzz.

Re: I should have loved biology

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Great description. I would go further to describe living systems as not just distributed and so on. Also they are self-assembling and self-repairing. They are redundant - which makes them more damage resistant and 'evolvable'. Also, these complex assemblies of machines work at (mostly) room temperature and pressure. Except for extremophiles that can work down to freezing or up to boiling temperatures, or in acid or h…

I like to think that in life the code is also the runtime, unlike in computer technology where the hardware is the runtime.

The code is a serialized record of the hardware. It has to be translated from codons to amino acids before being assembled.

Re: I should have loved biology

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I must be running on slower code, as I can't quite unpack that. So the code in life is the DNA which is also the 'runtime'?

Proteins are the runtime on which DNA is executed, because they are the mechanism that "reads" DNA. But proteins are the compiled output of DNA, because they are the result of "reading" DNA. So the DNA defines the runtime environment that is necessary for DNA to run.

yes exactly. you've explained this much better than I did
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