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Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by kybishop »

tbrock wrote: post #154
ramphastidae wrote: post #151

Society loves to make fun of those who choose organic produce, but avoiding glysophate is the main reason I do so, and it works: > Organic diet intervention significantly reduces urinary glyphosate levels in U.S. children and adults > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512...

There’s no question it would be better if it were true but how sure can we be that it’s not just the same food with different labels?

Because the FDA exists?? Because that would be fraud to claim otherwise, and fruit/veg sources are easily traceable back to their source, particularly at quantity?

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Post by harles »

ramphastidae wrote: post #151

Society loves to make fun of those who choose organic produce, but avoiding glysophate is the main reason I do so, and it works: > Organic diet intervention significantly reduces urinary glyphosate levels in U.S. children and adults > https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S001393512...

I think organic is great. I just wish we didn’t put non-GMO in the same bucket. Give me GMO foods without pesticides.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by astrostl »

It's been in global use for almost 50 years. I don't doubt that it may produce some negative effects, but it wouldn't concern me even a little bit to discover that some of it could be detected in my urine. If the impacts were that severe I expect that they would have shown up in force by now.

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Post by jelliclesfarm »

Monsanto has poisoned the world..not just the US. Now that it sold out to Bayer, most of the world is fed by the same powers that made Agent Orange and Napalm.

Our food is grown with fossil fuels and chemicals. It’s chemical warfare on soil and water.

Glyphosate gets into us due to runoff’s into the water system and the aquifers. This is food grown as fodder and it gets into animals and then into us. It’s hideously obscene.

Most of the problem would be solved if we adopted eesponsible animal husbandry. Which means less meat and animal based foods. But that’s only one part of the solution.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by macondo »

nemo44x wrote: post #49

This is bad journalism. Glyphosate is not “linked” to cancer. Sone groups think it is “probably” a carcinogen but most every governing body around the world says it is not as there’s no proof of the link at all. This is probably not journalism but rather propaganda designed to rally public support around glyphosate bans which we have seen in Germany and now the Netherlands. Farmers can still use it of course, but the…

This is bad thinking. Glyphosate has seen billions of USD in settlements and is tied to decreased liver function.

"Most every governing body says..." what is this poor appeal to authority?

Like the other commenter says, even if it is not directly effecting on humans, if it affects our gut flora then it ends up affecting. The reductionist approach does not work much in biology, one has to consider the whole system.

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Post by mushbino »

tyrfing wrote: post #110
dodgerdan wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Monsanto settled a batch of civil cases regarding Roundup for $10bn. No one settle’s for that sum unless they’re guilty. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/24/business/roundup-settleme...

Not really, 10B just isn't very much. 95,000 cases are being settled for $25-250k a person, where individual cases are 9 digit awards and only require convincing a jury. 100, max 1000, out of those 95,000 people getting awards at jury trials is enough to make that cheaper. It'll be interesting to see what/if 3M settles earplug liability for. Talc powder liability has already cost JNJ over 5 billion, and that's with t…

I believe they mean it's a lot of money to the company, not the plaintiffs. $10B is a lot of money to any company. You should see what Chevron has been doing to Steven Donziger for winning the $9.5B case against them for massively polluting the Amazon.

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by cool_dude85 »

astrostl wrote: post #163

It's been in global use for almost 50 years. I don't doubt that it may produce some negative effects, but it wouldn't concern me even a little bit to discover that some of it could be detected in my urine. If the impacts were that severe I expect that they would have shown up in force by now.

What do you mean by "severe effects" and how are you sure they haven't shown up in force?

Let's say the incidence rate of certain types of cancer triples. You still might never meet someone with one of these types of cancer, and you might not even know if you did whether their cancer was caused by glyphosate.

But still sounds like a severe effect to me if you're the guy with cancer, right?

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by vixen99 »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #120
abe_duarte wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who have been exposed to the chemical got cancer. Internal Monsanto documents show the link and their concern. A man got a court to rule in his favour for 289 million dollars, after the jury saw this evidence: https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/aug/10/monsanto-tr...

People who have been exposed to got cancer, but that is meaningless in showing causation. Internal documents show concern, but show no evidence that it causes cancer, or that Monsanto had internal data showing it caused cancer.

Many consider glyphosate as the most heavily used weed-killer in history. If 'internal documents show concern', what should we conclude?

https://theecologist.org/2016/feb/03/glyphosate-most-heavily...

https://www.greens-efa.eu/legacy/fileadmin/dam/Documents/Stu...

(All members of the EU Parliament from 13 countries, excrete glyphophosphate in their urine).

https://doi.org/10.1007/s11356-021-18110-0

(Quantifable urine glyphosate levels detected in 99% of the French population, with higher values in men, in younger people, and in farmers)

Re: Weedkiller ingredient tied to cancer found in 80% of US urine samples

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Post by peoplefromibiza »

rasz wrote: post #27
pfdietz wrote: post #4

"Tied to cancer" in the sense of "if you torture data long enough, it will confess."

In a sense of here mister lobbyist this is a glass of perfectly safe glyphosate, drink it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWM_PgnoAtA

olive oil is great and I could not live without it, but I would not drink a glass of it it for no reason!
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