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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by bityard » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:48 PM UTC

rcv wrote: post #234

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I have a 17" Oryx Pro that I've been using as my daily driver for work. It's basically a luggable, but I mostly love it. The thing I really miss from my old Apple laptop though is rock-solid suspend behavior. I feel like I can leave my Macbook closed for a week, and it will barely lose any battery life. When I bring home my System76 and leave it in my bag over the weekend, it will always be dead by Monday morning.

Is this due to the weird sleep states in newer Intel CPUs? I read that these are troublesome even on windows.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by ungamedplayer » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:51 PM UTC

twawaaay wrote: post #212

cycomanic wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…

Unfortunately, you are wrong. I have quarter of century experience working on Linux including running it on all my laptops and desktops for 23 years. Over the years keeping it working started becoming what seems like a full time job and I jumped the ship for M1 MacBook Pro. It still has a lot of problems but at least I have more time to do my actual work. I understand I might just becoming less tolerant of wasting ti…

Run Linux everyday. I am a heavy tech user. Multi polyglot developer.. what are you doing that turns admin into a full time job..

Even my stupid obtuse use case is not that heavy.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jorvi » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:52 PM UTC

addicted wrote: post #265

loudmax wrote: post #207

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The issue is that open source distributions don't have access to the level of testing and quality control that the proprietary desktop duopoly do. Microsoft and Apple can spend millions of dollars to make it very unlikely that a system update will break your system. And even if when it breaks, there is such a large user base that a solution will usually be easy to find. Linux ditros don't have that. In my experience,…

And yet, I have never heard of a Linux update which bricked your system, something that has happened with both Windows and OSX. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/this-macos-update-is-bricking... https://www.itpro.com/hardware/358739/apple-releases-macos-u... https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-update-now-brickin... Searching Linux update bricking systems brought up nothing relevant. The closest I could find was a…

Literally the first time I installed Ubuntu in 2009, I booted into it, it asked me to install a bunch of updates, and when I did the required reboot, it dropped me into the boot terminal with a bunch of vague errors.

Linux is not infallible.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by divan » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:52 PM UTC

rajamaka wrote: post #163

divan wrote: post #97

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Probably 'correctly' is not the right word here. I often code for 12+ hours straight and the only way to keep up with such a stress on eyes is to use bigger fonts and not focus too much on text (i.e. engage in a slightly defocused vision). Which means I never use small fonts, though I see a lot of people who code on 13-15 inch screens with super tiny fonts. Naturally, once you have to use large fonts you end up using…

Frankly if you are often coding for 12 hours straight you have plenty more serious problems going on that monitor resolution and font size can fix.

If you're picturing a teenager and/or workaholic unaware of life behind the monitor, it's not the case. But thank you for the concern :)

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by knighthack » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:53 PM UTC

The one thing I did not like about the Lemur Pro is its odd and extremely tiny arrow keys. That made it impossible to use, given that I touch type and rely on motor memory for typing.

Most of the time this is quite neglible because the Lemur machine I have is tied to a mechanical keyboard and a desktop. But when I have to lug it around it can be quite annoying for serious, long-form work.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by guerrilla » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:54 PM UTC

Everyone's talking about the laptop, but are you all not impressed that System76 is doing so well? I didn't think they'd be around this long, but I am pleasantly surprised and quite impressed they keep pumping out good stuff. I don't need a new computer yet but with Lenovo gradually decaying, I'm glad there's a fresh face on the block.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by trelane » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:56 PM UTC

rcv wrote: post #234

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I have a 17" Oryx Pro that I've been using as my daily driver for work. It's basically a luggable, but I mostly love it. The thing I really miss from my old Apple laptop though is rock-solid suspend behavior. I feel like I can leave my Macbook closed for a week, and it will barely lose any battery life. When I bring home my System76 and leave it in my bag over the weekend, it will always be dead by Monday morning.

Aye, I too wish for better suspend. I suspect system76 would also like this. Perhaps when they're big enough they can push the ODMs enough to make it happen.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by dahfizz » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

twawaaay wrote: post #212

cycomanic wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…

Unfortunately, you are wrong. I have quarter of century experience working on Linux including running it on all my laptops and desktops for 23 years. Over the years keeping it working started becoming what seems like a full time job and I jumped the ship for M1 MacBook Pro. It still has a lot of problems but at least I have more time to do my actual work. I understand I might just becoming less tolerant of wasting ti…

In my experience, the people who spend so much time maintaining their Linux are the people hacking on their OS. Which is something I encourage; the customizability of Linux is part of what makes it so great.

But if you load up the newest Ubuntu lts on a laptop and never fiddle with configs, switch display managers/ desktops, etc, then there will be zero maintenance required.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by trelane » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 4:58 PM UTC

baybal2 wrote: post #178

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

Impressive it is for an "OS brand, yet it's just another relabelled Tongfang laptop, so people really need to blame not OEM, but people who keep buying from them instead of designing own hardware. Designing a laptop from scratch may be an adventure with a budget close to $200k-$300k, but there are tons, and tons of US brands who can pull this financially. Yet, even the "innovative" Framework laptop is mostly OEM work…

> Impressive it is for an "OS brand, yet it's just another relabelled Tongfang laptop,

This is not correct. See elsewhere in the thread. However, its not as custom as Apple, but they're also significantly smaller than Apple.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by trelane » Sat, Jul 09, 2022, 5:01 PM UTC

hedora wrote: post #227

nrp wrote: post #194

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The Framework Laptop is entirely our own design and architecture, with no white-label or pre-existing ODM/OEM parts. The cost of developing a from scratch laptop like ours is closer to the mid seven figures.

I worked on some proprietary thing (not a laptop) and mid seven figures sounds about right for just the motherboard, case, etc. Our thing was more custom than the framework, but mid seven figures sounds like a steal. Does that include making Linux be reliable on it? (5 engineers total on the EE/mechanical/industrial engineering and SW bringup teams * 4 year product lifespan is mid seven figures, just for salary. That…

It is built for and comes with Windows or no OS, so I'm dubious about it as a Linux platform. AFAICT, you have to be intentional about Linux support due to the 800 lb gorilla in the market.

Like System76, the firmware is open source, so perhaps after a while it'll work.