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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by throwawaymaths »

jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I went from a lemur 14" to a Mac m1 and the following things broke:

- dual monitors were detected only as one monitor, and we're mirrored.

- USB mouse (I disprefer Bluetooth mice) would have to be unplugged and plugged back in if the laptop went to sleep

- no home/end keys

- I had installed all of my corporate 2FA stuff on safari and safari would randomly drop me from Google meets. No other browser had this issue.

The ctl/option madness definitely tanked my productivity while I had the laptop but I figure I would have learned it eventually.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by sneak »

stonewareslord wrote: post #233
sneak wrote: post #197

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This seems to be a tradition in the linux-laptop world. "1080p ought to be enough for anyone!" Use a 13" 4k for a few weeks and try to go back. Actual high-dpi screens are where it's at.

What a tiring trope. I use a high resolution macbook for work and a 1366x768 13 inch laptop for personal use. Like OP, I greatly prefer the font blockiness the latter provides especially in terminals. And yes, I've tried smooth fonts and FixedSys/Less Perfect DOS-VGA on both and prefer blocky ones every time. High res screens love to use smoothing and subpixel rendering and I very much prefer none of it. Edit: point…

> High res screens love to use smoothing and subpixel rendering and I very much prefer none of it.

Quite the opposite! These are hacks for low-res displays to make type look better. Sufficiently high resolution displays disable these because they are high resolution enough that your eye perceives a smooth line/edge already without having to resort to hacks to avoid stairsteps.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by xdfgh1112 »

sneak wrote: post #196
sschueller wrote: post #166

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I don't know who decided shinny screens are better but they aren't for me. Maybe they slightly reproduce color more accurately but most people are not graphic designers. Matt screens exist for a reason and can't just dismiss them as being inferior when they specifically solve a problem many have. Maybe they sell better in a store but so do touch screens in cars. Once you however want to use them you realize the mista…

I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…

I have used 1080p all my life and never thought that I need it to be higher resolution. So for me the risk of Linux high DPI support not working, high cost and higher power usage make no sense to me.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by dividedbyzero »

hedora wrote: post #204
shalmanese wrote: post #187

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It's impossible to generalize across a broad range of use because each person's needs are different and non-negotiable. We've had plenty of examples of totally tech illiterate people using linux with zero problems since 1999 but they're totally irrelevant because they happen to be the people who are on the narrow set of rails that don't touch linux's rough edges. To make a convincing case, you have to move beyond ane…

Can you name one thing that a NOOB-friendly Linux requires the command line for that a technically illiterate user can accomplish in MacOS / Windows?

Solving problems. Like, the happy path may have a UI, but if that doesn't work, or isn't quite right, any troubleshooting most likely will not have a UI.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jeffbee »

acomjean wrote: post #47
MasterYoda wrote: post #2

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/alder-lake-powered-linux-l...

I was wondering how that got that battery life. I have an old system 76 (8th gen intel and nvidia) and while it’s quite speedy and can game, battery life isn’t great. The article hints at Linux now using intels new low power cores. Though I’m not sure exactly how. “Like Windows, Linux had to have some serious tinkering under the hood to prepare for the mix of Performance and Efficiency cores in Alder Lake chips. Howe…

You'd hope so because these U-series processors only have 2 real cores and 8 efficiency cores. If Linux were unable to sensibly exploit that setup, it would not be fun to use. Note that you need the very latest Linux kernel and depending on your distro some manual configs to make it work right.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by dividedbyzero »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #243
sneak wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…

I have used 1080p all my life and never thought that I need it to be higher resolution. So for me the risk of Linux high DPI support not working, high cost and higher power usage make no sense to me.

I've had a 2560x1440 27" for a long time and recently switched to 4K scaled to 2560x1440 and the difference is absolutely crazy. Everything is so sharp and crisp, letters look so much better, way easier on the eyes. And that's with plenty of people on here claiming that macOS does a bad job downscaling by non-integer values, not that I'd notice anything wrong. I remember my first retina laptop screen felt just as crazy good.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Macha »

driverdan wrote: post #145
Macha wrote: post #30

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Cheap 2006 laptop? Would have been 768p at best, maybe even 600p. Even Apple would happily sell you an 800p macbook ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacBook_(2006%E2%80%932012) ) until 2012 and laptop GPUs of the era would struggle with a 1080p desktop.

There were a lot of higher res laptops in that time period. They weren't everywhere which is why most people don't know about them.

They weren't "cheap college laptops" though.

Here's a 2006 laptop review roundup: https://www.cnet.com/tech/computing/best-laptops-of-2006/

There's a 4:3 1680x1050 laptop there (a $2k machine, described as "doesn't come cheap") and the macbook pro (also starting at $2k) was 1440x900.

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Post by gcbirzan »

Saris wrote: post #221
hedora wrote: post #204

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Can you name one thing that a NOOB-friendly Linux requires the command line for that a technically illiterate user can accomplish in MacOS / Windows?

Changing mouse acceleration settings is one I ran into, there was no option in the UI at all and google searches brought up config file edits that went completely over my head. I think it was on either Pop or Fedora KDE. In windows it will come up by typing 'mouse' into start.

And there is literally no way to do it on Mac. Or, you know, disable scroll acceleration, an abomination that needs to die.

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Post by lelanthran »

unrealhoang wrote: post #6

Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd.

> Non-hiDPI display in 2022 is a non-starter. There’s simply not enough pixels to display text correctly with full hd.

1080 on a 14" screen is not, in any way, going to slow your work down compared to hiDPI on a 14".

You're still going to display the same number of visual elements at 14", after all.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by lelanthran »

sshine wrote: post #20
chrisseaton wrote: post #9

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I vaguely think my cheap college laptop display around 2006 was 1080 lines tall. How can it possibly be that some manufacturers haven't moved on since then?

Some people don't care as much about DPI. I personally got the third-cheapest 49" ultrawide. People's eyesights vary. I need big letters anyways.

> I personally got the third-cheapest 49" ultrawide.

I'm shopping for ultawide right now, care to share the link of the monitor you got?

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