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System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.

Does Linux work well on those M chip Apple laptops?

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…

Unfortunately, you are wrong.

I have quarter of century experience working on Linux including running it on all my laptops and desktops for 23 years.

Over the years keeping it working started becoming what seems like a full time job and I jumped the ship for M1 MacBook Pro. It still has a lot of problems but at least I have more time to do my actual work.

I understand I might just becoming less tolerant of wasting time on things that should just work (my actual work being more and more distant from tinkering with OS internals).

But, if I with all my experience am spending time keeping it alive, what has to do a person that has no idea about systemd or pulse audio or dealing with failed upgrades or anything else? Essentially -- you are using it until first problem happens and then you can either reinstall it from scratch or switch to Windows or Mac.

I still keep a Linux laptop dedicated for critical security tasks (I don't trust Apple this much) and a number of Linux VMs (I am running small datacenter at home).

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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> you can replace it easily I actually followed the link and went to the battery section.. "Tools required: Cross-head (Phillips) screwdriver" "Time estimate: 30 minutes" "Difficulty: High (red)" High/Hard == easy

If you read it, it sounds easy. The "easy" things in their categorization are things like removing the bottom cover. If you're not comfortable doing it, I believe you can ship it to them and have them do it. (If you have questions about these things, I highly recommend asking them.) Sure, it's not as easy as an external battery, but I've not seen those in a long, long time. But you also don't need specialist tools no…

For contrast, here's Apple's page on how to replace their batteries: https://www.apple.com/batteries/service-and-recycling/

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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I have the new DELL XPS 15. WOW I Hate the large trackpad. It’s soooo annoying. I can no longer move my thumb down and back again without random screens flying around due to gestures cos my palm touches the corner. Giant trackpads are terrible. I miss my Lenovo nipple.

Macs detect (99% of the time) when you accidentally brush the pad instead of meaning it.

Can only comment from using someone else’s max because the last one I owned was the MacBook Pro Retina when it first came out and it’s trackpad was smaller than the dell but suffered the same problem. However cos it was smaller it happened far less often. But on the newer larger one it does it too. However palm detection is definitely far better than the dell.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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> OOI, why System76 for those? Not the original poster, but +$200 would be reasonable for me. The last computer I built was twenty years ago so I would have to do at least a couple hours of research to find out what sites and stores are reliable, read component reviews, etc. None of that information is useful or interesting to me beyond getting the computer up and running. And there's a slight chance that despite my…

Hm, that's fair enough for a more complex desktop build in my opinion (except for the unfortunate fact that you often end up with paying a premium for worse hardware that way), but in this case the NUC is an off-the-shelf standard barebone that is widely available - the only thing you are adding is RAM and storage. You can do both of those (for reasonable prices) via Crucial's part picker, for instance - and in fact…

> I would expect people deliberately opting for Linux to already be more adept with that kind of thing - but maybe I'm wrong!

Yep, I think you’re just wrong. I know plenty of people who use Linux but have never built a PC and have no clue how to do so, and may never have even swapped out ram or disk drives.

I’m sure plenty of people also don’t know what a NUC is or where you would research which one to buy. You’re discounting the fact that you happened to know about the Crucial part picker, but most people don’t!

Some people use Linux because they grew up tinkering with computers, but a lot of people use them for other reasons, like greater familiarity with GNU command-line tools, or just not wanting to need a VM to run Docker.

I think the vast majority of people who build their own computer do so for gaming purposes and use Windows.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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I don't know who decided shinny screens are better but they aren't for me. Maybe they slightly reproduce color more accurately but most people are not graphic designers. Matt screens exist for a reason and can't just dismiss them as being inferior when they specifically solve a problem many have. Maybe they sell better in a store but so do touch screens in cars. Once you however want to use them you realize the mista…

I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…

> I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res.

I definitely wish it were easier to get a matte+high-res combo.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.

There's plenty of good competition, just none of those options come with Linux—and as we saw with the Lenovo news yesterday, it's getting less friendly to install a FOSS OS.

Lenovo news was just a click bait which meant nothing. You can install FOSS OS as well as 5 years ago.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.

Does Linux work well on those M chip Apple laptops?

It “works”, but not really well enough for general use. There’s a project called Asahi Linux dedicated to getting it to work, and it does run, but a lot of peripheral hardware (Bluetooth, accelerated graphics) is still not supported.

I’m not aware of any distribution other than Asahi (which is based on Arch) that can boot at all.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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I don't know who decided shinny screens are better but they aren't for me. Maybe they slightly reproduce color more accurately but most people are not graphic designers. Matt screens exist for a reason and can't just dismiss them as being inferior when they specifically solve a problem many have. Maybe they sell better in a store but so do touch screens in cars. Once you however want to use them you realize the mista…

I think the issue is much less shiny/matte and much more high-res/low-res. It seems to be a point of pride in the Linux community that low-res screens are sufficient. Maybe it's because only Apple has figured out how to do both high-res and long battery life/low weight in a single system. The ultrabooks (air clones) are all struggling to replicate it. My 4k XPS13 has atrocious battery life. The only way that this mac…

Agree. It’s a shame the Linux community is so set in its ways. All I really want is decent, grown-up looking Arch Linux laptop with reasonable battery life and performance that boots to CLI and has retina resolution (>200ppi). People imagine retina must be all about graphics, but for me it’s 90% for sharp text. It doubles the amount of time I can use a computer before my brain starts flagging. I use a MacBook Pro because of retina. I wish the rest of the industry would get their shit together, it’s like they have a huge collective blind spot. It’s bizarre to me that PPI is almost never listed on spec sheets and I have to calculate it myself to find out if the screen is going to make my eyes and brain hurt. And they almost all fall short. Outside Apple, high PPI seems to be limited to ‘gamer’ laptops with flashing multicoloured lights for overgrown children. I wish someone would just make a decent plain aluminium laptop with a sharp screen. End rant. Sorry.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Man I wish System76 or Framework or someone else could make hardware as nice as Apple. I just ordered an M2 Air which I will be primarily running Linux on. I'm replacing my Lenovo T480s (which was a great laptop) because I want _nice_ hardware. There are just so few options that even come close to competing with Apple.

Does Linux work well on those M chip Apple laptops?

https://asahilinux.org/2022/03/asahi-linux-alpha-release/

And ”What works” section.

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