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Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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I'd like to think that more than a few people grasp this. He's some kind of machine - in the best, complimentary way. His replies to emails are succinct, helpful, educational, and still personable. No idea how he retains his equanimity across hundreds/thousands of interactions, mostly with strangers. IMO it's a worthwhile lesson (and a free one) to peruse his comment history: https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=d…

I honestly wonder sometimes how it’s physically possible to do what dang does, it seems like such an enormous and Sisyphean task. Sad to see twitter replies complaining about the moderation, because if it wasn’t for the moderation the quality here would be much lower, the moderation is the whole reason those people are attracted to participating here. Respect and many thanks indeed.

As someone that moderated a … pithy … community site, I am all too familiar with that type of complaint.

I would regularly get called a “nazi,” because I would step into catfights, and break them up, or “nip them in the bud.” Once you’ve been doing it a while, you learn to smell trouble brewing, and it can escalate rapidly.

Many folks chafe at restrictions, and they may actually be correct. They, themselves, may be entirely trustworthy; but others may not.

Generally, we’re all for rules and structure, as long as they apply to others (especially those with whom we disagree), but they shouldn’t apply to us.

I participate in HN, quite a bit. I basically avoid all other social media.

A big reason is the decorum, here. If it dissolves, then I will no longer participate.

I’ve been “danged” a few times. In some cases, I felt that it was not what I considered “reasonable,” but I accept the slaps anyway.

When in an Italian city, wear a bedsheet, and all that…

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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A lot of replies on twitter critique dang on moderating their comments. But in reality, I think this is a good thing. There are already enough near-total-free speech zones on the Internet (and we see how many of them turn out). It's far more personally interesting to me to see how a conversations in a space moderated above a certain threshold evolves.

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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I just find it comically ironic that the same community infamous for sleuthing and demanding the full root cause of failure from their favourite faang darlings and various digital feudal estates has been so quiet, forgiving, and reflective about the HN outage and its cause. am I missing something? does anyone know what caused the failure?

We weren't quiet. There were lots of questions about the cause of the outage... along with detailed answers, and discussions of those answers: [1][2][3] You just missed them. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32026571 [2] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32030400 [3] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32032235

Thanks for all the posts! In the future, it might be helpful to use different (compatible) hardware for the backup server so it doesn't have the same issue that caused the main to fail, like how redundant aircraft systems are made by different teams.

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

here’s the deal: HN is a tiny forum which basically runs on a single machine with a single backup. There are surely only a few people monitoring it. It’s used by about ~1 million people a day, and nobody really “relies” on HN. GitHub, Facebook, Google, AWS etc. are massive clusters of over 1000 servers spread across continents, with multiple failure modes and run by many DevOps. Many people and services rely on them…

"Yet HN has more uptime than these behemoths, and way more uptime than e.g. Slack." That's because HN does a lot less, and is a lot simpler.

I have a plug-in clock with backup battery that has an uptime of always

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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'sillysaurusx -- I respect your opinions. I know that I respect your opinions because you're able to use HackerNews as a bully pulpit to reach a very wide audience and I personally both enjoy and look forward to seeing your participation. I've often wished I had better opportunities to learn from you and always silently wish you well on your personal journey. I also see from your Twitter reply that you feel HN hasn't…

The one complaint is this:

> He has had a habit of silencing some long-standing members of HN

If anything, that shows excellent moderation skills. Everyone should abide by the same rules.

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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Well if he’s busy banning people for political ideologies when in reality he’s running a message board with the technology from 1995

HN isn't the place for politics. If I was a zealous liberal or a zealous right wing nutjob I'd imagine I'd get roughly equal treatment.

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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Well if he’s busy banning people for political ideologies when in reality he’s running a message board with the technology from 1995

Try harder. HN uses a lisp, which is a programming language family from the sixties. Can it possibly be any more obsolete — according to the test you prefer? Something has to be very wrong with HN. Unless the problem is that the test is bonkers.

Re: Few people grasp the amount of effort Daniel Gackle expends running HN (2020)

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So as it turns out the key to making Twitter less crap is leveraging Daniel Gackle clones.

I think the community here is the other part of the equation. I see HN as a gigantic spinning apparatus that occasionally gets out of alignment by a few microns. Dan simply adds a bit of corrective force in a few areas as appropriate to keep everything happy.

Twitter is a bunch of pigs wallowing in a pit of mud by comparison. You could put a million dangs in there and they would still wind up as muddy as everyone else at the end of the day. Making twitter less crap likely requires some orbital bombardment analogies.

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