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Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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post #34

Sounds like Boeing is blackmailing FAA here - "Approve 737 Max 10 before the deadline for EICAS kicks in, or we wouldn't be able to get it approved under those new safety rules for a long time (and what is bad for Boeing is bad for the country)"

Forgive my ignorance, but what's this "deadline for EICAS" you are talking about? Are they going to change part 25 certification requirements? Is there a source, a draft document for that?

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

#52

What's the point of this plane? It's not that cheap, it's not that good for fuel efficiency, it misses most modern (decade old) systems like eicas. Seems another odd Boeing plane that woukd only sell because the competition cannot fill all orders.

I wonder if this is an example of the downsides of not just doing something right from the beginning. If I understand correctly, this whole 737 Max kerfuffle was born out of Boeing trying to reduce costs for their "new" airplane by retrofitting an old one, intending to save on all sorts of costs. I don't know much about airplane development and manufacturing, but it almost seems like it would have been cheaper to just design a new airplane. Certainly would have saved lives, lawsuits, fixing hardware with software, and all this regulatory investigation.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Yeah, I challenge anyone to show me a unconditionally successful Boeing program post 2000 AD. Please. Please show one to me. I am begging you here. Aboulafia had like fifty graphs on exactly how Boeing is doomed, at least as a unified company; they might survive in pieces after a GE-style split. Big B is spending all their money on precisely the wrong products, and leaving the right products to die on the vine. This…

So I'm probably ignorant, but the 787? I've seen it as a great aircraft that has moved the bar significantly... there have been some issues, but I'm surprised that you wouldn't even consider it a successful program?

I can’t say too much, but check the deliveries on the 787 that past few months ;)

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

#54
post #34

Sounds like Boeing is blackmailing FAA here - "Approve 737 Max 10 before the deadline for EICAS kicks in, or we wouldn't be able to get it approved under those new safety rules for a long time (and what is bad for Boeing is bad for the country)"

Forgive my ignorance, but what's this "deadline for EICAS" you are talking about? Are they going to change part 25 certification requirements? Is there a source, a draft document for that?

sounds like it https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers/december-deadline-co...

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

#55
post #20

If it aint Airbus take the bus

I wish there were regulations that forced airlines to make it known to customers which airplane they will be flying on. It is my understanding that airlines can post this information, but then in the end, it it up to their discretion at time of flight which plane model to use.

I do not want to step on a 737 Max, if that means throwing away my Southwest points, then so be it.

And searching on this, to see if Southwest had returned to using 737 Max planes, which they have, I found this: https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/legal...

Seems they had a hand in all of this as well.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

#56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So I'm probably ignorant, but the 787? I've seen it as a great aircraft that has moved the bar significantly... there have been some issues, but I'm surprised that you wouldn't even consider it a successful program?

I can’t say too much, but check the deliveries on the 787 that past few months ;)

Looks like the answer is... none...?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Boeing_787_orders_and_...

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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post #18

This is literally the 'too big to fail' outcome. Boeing sucks. They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. It's disappointing that mess after mess they're not held accountable. I suppose on the one hand, the U.S. wants a competitor to AB. But, AB does need a competitor, right? It's not like it's a good thing if Boeing goes away and AB has no competition.

>They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. That certainly wasn't the case for the A380. A380 is my favorite plane to fly on, but Boeing beat them badly in market analysis. The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down. AB also received 9 billion in EU government aid for the AB380. When it comes to too big to fai…

A real shame too, I love flying on the A380. It's so big it just slides through the air like butter, and the higher cabin pressurization makes you feel more alert when you arrive (plus the fact that you probably slept better since it wasn't bouncing around as much).

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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post #25
post #13

Trash it and send some executives and managers to prison

isn't it amazing that 350 people died and years later no one has been put in prison yet?

Don't you have to break the law to go to prison? Or are we trying to recreate the old comintern and frame fallguys in order to make us feel justice was served when sad things happen.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. That certainly wasn't the case for the A380. A380 is my favorite plane to fly on, but Boeing beat them badly in market analysis. The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down. AB also received 9 billion in EU government aid for the AB380. When it comes to too big to fai…

A real shame too, I love flying on the A380. It's so big it just slides through the air like butter, and the higher cabin pressurization makes you feel more alert when you arrive (plus the fact that you probably slept better since it wasn't bouncing around as much).

Agreed, it has some of the best business class layouts too.

Unfortunately it can't land and be supported in most airports

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

isn't it amazing that 350 people died and years later no one has been put in prison yet?

Don't you have to break the law to go to prison? Or are we trying to recreate the old comintern and frame fallguys in order to make us feel justice was served when sad things happen.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/boeing-charged-737-max-fraud-...
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