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Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

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Amazon has a piracy/counterfeit problem. And has for a very long time. I have basically stopped buying there as much as possible. My current trend is to use them as a search engine then got to the companies site. At this point you might as well shop alibaba as thats where half the crap is from anyway.

https://isbn.nu/ is what I use to find the lowest price for a book. I saw it on Aaron Swartz's weblog I think.

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

#72

Amazon has a piracy/counterfeit problem. And has for a very long time. I have basically stopped buying there as much as possible. My current trend is to use them as a search engine then got to the companies site. At this point you might as well shop alibaba as thats where half the crap is from anyway.

What amazes me is that the FTC doesn't address the problem. You'd think they'd care. This has been going on for years; you really can't tell whether you're buying genuine products or not on Amazon anymore. I've stopped buying anything where I actually care about the provenance (like power tools and anything personal hygiene related) on Amazon.

The FTC does do some things, but below a certain threshold it doesn’t bother. There is lots and lots and lots of crime that does not get prosecuted or otherwise litigated.

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

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Amazon kind of gave up on discovery, at least for books, when they realized they could make more money running ads. I sell books on Amazon. Years ago, their book pages had two carousels of "similar titles" on each book detail page. Similar titles were selected by some pretty helpful algorithms based on what purchasers of the current title had also purchased, as well as some other secret sauce. At the time, ads weren'…

This is somewhat of an aside about Target, but I've noticed that their inventory has moved significantly upmarket in the last 10 years or so. Their long-term strategy appears to be distinguishing themselves from the "bottom-of-the-barrel low-cost stuff" market and settling in a "low-cost but still decent stuff" niche.

“Wal-Mart for the wealthy” is probably a very profitable demo to serve.

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

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So... I'm sure it's not as easy as I think it should be, but isn't this just a DMCA takedown notice away from getting fixed? As much as the DMCA is generally horrible and abused, this seems like an actually good use for it.

Of course, the counterfeit seller can just create a new account, and then it becomes a game of whack-a-mole, but perhaps that could be grounds for a lawsuit against Amazon directly, for failing to rein in all the copyright infringement occurring on their platform. (Maybe even a class action, since this problem seems widespread.)

Again, I'm sure this isn't easy or fun (or cheap) to do, but tweeting at people to not buy your book from Amazon seems to be... not all that useful a response?

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

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If they got rid of marketplace sellers and actually got control over their supply chain then they might actually go up in people's opinion. However Amazon and AWS isn't about doing a good job, it's about doing a mediocre job and making everyone happy though apologies. And that's why I'm still using them. They are a good balance.

Not sure why enabling piracy is a good balance. Care to expound on that?

Information just wants to be free, even if you call it "piracy."

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

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With books, Amazon has become the opposite of a search engine for me. I have to use external resources to actually find the right titles, to enter them 1:1 into Amazon search to get to the books. Context based discovery has become next to impossible (which I used it before a lot for). Something must have changed in their indexing algorithm a while ago. Also many results are flooded with garbage, like some ridiculous…

Amazon kind of gave up on discovery, at least for books, when they realized they could make more money running ads. I sell books on Amazon. Years ago, their book pages had two carousels of "similar titles" on each book detail page. Similar titles were selected by some pretty helpful algorithms based on what purchasers of the current title had also purchased, as well as some other secret sauce. At the time, ads weren'…

Amazon used to have a great recommendation page that had a tab for new releases and coming soon. This was incredible for book discovery and they got so much money from me with these pages.

Amazon is currently recommending me shower heads and bathroom hardware from when I remodeled a month ago because I bought that stuff then. Pointless.

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

#79

Amazon has a piracy/counterfeit problem. And has for a very long time. I have basically stopped buying there as much as possible. My current trend is to use them as a search engine then got to the companies site. At this point you might as well shop alibaba as thats where half the crap is from anyway.

With books, Amazon has become the opposite of a search engine for me. I have to use external resources to actually find the right titles, to enter them 1:1 into Amazon search to get to the books. Context based discovery has become next to impossible (which I used it before a lot for). Something must have changed in their indexing algorithm a while ago. Also many results are flooded with garbage, like some ridiculous…

And then once you find the book and get it shipped to you it gets destroyed in shipping because they put it in a padded envelope or a box with zero padding. Every book that I've ordered from them has been damaged. I quit ordering books once it happened the fourth time.

Re: Amazon has a book piracy problem

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Does Amazon have an incentive to fix this? This is the equivalent of Facebook or Twitter removing all bots. In this case they are much more directly seeing revenue. The only people losing are the authors and manufacturers of the original product. I see consumers don’t care and in fact actively buy the lower priced item and are happy about it. If they were to fix it, they need a huge operation to create a system to identify, vet, enforce originality across every single product on their platform. It’s almost impossible at amazon’s scale. They will never do anything about it. May be this is a business opportunity for a new company to come in and provide as Amazon will surely not be able to replicate overnight.
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