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Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by coredog64 »

epolanski wrote: post #3

What's the point of this plane? It's not that cheap, it's not that good for fuel efficiency, it misses most modern (decade old) systems like eicas. Seems another odd Boeing plane that woukd only sell because the competition cannot fill all orders.

737 has had a digital cockpit since the NG launched prior to the turn of the century. That was a big deal at the time as they had to strong arm Southwest into taking it as-is and not creating a steam-gauge one-off. I guess DCAC/MRM was good for something after all.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by s1artibartfast »

awill wrote: post #18

This is literally the 'too big to fail' outcome. Boeing sucks. They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. It's disappointing that mess after mess they're not held accountable. I suppose on the one hand, the U.S. wants a competitor to AB. But, AB does need a competitor, right? It's not like it's a good thing if Boeing goes away and AB has no competition.

>They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers.

That certainly wasn't the case for the A380. A380 is my favorite plane to fly on, but Boeing beat them badly in market analysis.

The company sank 25+ Billion in A380 development and cant even cover the cost of manufacture so they shut it down. AB also received 9 billion in EU government aid for the AB380.

When it comes to too big to fail, it certainly goes both ways.

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Post by sklargh »

ethbr0 wrote: post #14
sklargh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if that is the consensus but I struggle to find a major program there that isn’t completely rotten.

MQ-25 F/A-18E/F 777

Tactical fighter aircraft are a bright spot but they aren’t long for this world.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by OneHotEncoder »

In a way it is a good thing. They should be forced to take many steps back and look at where they bungled up. For starters, not trying to fix aerodynamic issues with software patches, and getting honest engineering back at the helm should be on the top of the list.

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Post by ceejayoz »

ethbr0 wrote: post #14
sklargh wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t know if that is the consensus but I struggle to find a major program there that isn’t completely rotten.

MQ-25 F/A-18E/F 777

The MQ-25 is a repurposing of a failed armed drone program.

The F/A-18 is from the 70s, and the Super Hornet's from the mid 1990s.

The 777 first flew in the mid 1990s.

There's not much recent to brag about.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by structural »

justapassenger wrote: post #6
epolanski wrote: post #3

What's the point of this plane? It's not that cheap, it's not that good for fuel efficiency, it misses most modern (decade old) systems like eicas. Seems another odd Boeing plane that woukd only sell because the competition cannot fill all orders.

It being a refresh of old design, means it's cheaper to retrain people (don't have to full training for the totally different aircraft), a lot of your supporting infrastructure can stay the same while being cheaper to operate. And, in theory (ahm, MAX had some tiny, minor issues there) should be safe and reliable, as it's based on well known and tested platform.

This generally means the aircraft is the best choice to prop up customers whose business is slowly failing, and would be severely harmed by having to invest in improvements to the supporting infrastructure. This is not altogether surprising since air travel has been increasingly commoditized, so aircraft operators who don't price in long term capital improvements can outcompete (or for the worse ones, just stay afloat at all) for some period of time.

So it's no different than any other business with eye-wateringly expensive infrastructure, really.

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Post by jlmorton »

awill wrote: post #18

This is literally the 'too big to fail' outcome. Boeing sucks. They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers. It's disappointing that mess after mess they're not held accountable. I suppose on the one hand, the U.S. wants a competitor to AB. But, AB does need a competitor, right? It's not like it's a good thing if Boeing goes away and AB has no competition.

Odd take given Boeing has the deeper order book.
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