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Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by cyanydeez »

justapassenger wrote: post #6
epolanski wrote: post #3

What's the point of this plane? It's not that cheap, it's not that good for fuel efficiency, it misses most modern (decade old) systems like eicas. Seems another odd Boeing plane that woukd only sell because the competition cannot fill all orders.

It being a refresh of old design, means it's cheaper to retrain people (don't have to full training for the totally different aircraft), a lot of your supporting infrastructure can stay the same while being cheaper to operate. And, in theory (ahm, MAX had some tiny, minor issues there) should be safe and reliable, as it's based on well known and tested platform.

One of the charges in the MAX crashes were that _it did_ need a whole new training class

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by ralph84 »

epolanski wrote: post #3

What's the point of this plane? It's not that cheap, it's not that good for fuel efficiency, it misses most modern (decade old) systems like eicas. Seems another odd Boeing plane that woukd only sell because the competition cannot fill all orders.

Boeing ended production of the 757 18 years ago and they still have no strategy for a successor besides more duck tape on the 737.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by ethbr0 »

sklargh wrote: post #7
caycep wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is the consensus that Boeing's engineering prowess is unrecoverable now, post-McDD merger?

I don’t know if that is the consensus but I struggle to find a major program there that isn’t completely rotten.

MQ-25

F/A-18E/F

777

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by MilStdJunkie »

sklargh wrote: post #7
caycep wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

is the consensus that Boeing's engineering prowess is unrecoverable now, post-McDD merger?

I don’t know if that is the consensus but I struggle to find a major program there that isn’t completely rotten.

Yeah, I challenge anyone to show me a unconditionally successful Boeing program post 2000 AD. Please. Please show one to me. I am begging you here.

Aboulafia had like fifty graphs on exactly how Boeing is doomed, at least as a unified company; they might survive in pieces after a GE-style split. Big B is spending all their money on precisely the wrong products, and leaving the right products to die on the vine.

This . . this must be what it was like with the late stage evolution of the Soviet design bureaus, but far, far, far worse. With somehow less accountability.

No one inside knows what anyone else is doing, and they're this close to just shipping boxes of parts and marking off a successful delivery of a finished good.

How Boeing has avoided the Mother Lode of all Fines is a mystery to me. Except it's not really a mystery, we all know why, but . . please let me keep my illusions.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by awill »

cyanydeez wrote: post #11
justapassenger wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It being a refresh of old design, means it's cheaper to retrain people (don't have to full training for the totally different aircraft), a lot of your supporting infrastructure can stay the same while being cheaper to operate. And, in theory (ahm, MAX had some tiny, minor issues there) should be safe and reliable, as it's based on well known and tested platform.

One of the charges in the MAX crashes were that _it did_ need a whole new training class

Ding! The whole issue was that they cheated to hide the differences to avoid additional training. Which proved fatal as the pilots were unaware of those differences.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by darknavi »

ethbr0 wrote: post #10

>> "the debts that we’ve had to accumulate" Like the $5B (and counting) for bungling the KC-46 design? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_KC-46_Pegasus#Flight_...

What about Starliner? It is years behind schedule and a huge embarrassment to the US' play in space.

Re: Boeing CEO says planemaker could be forced to cancel 737 Max 10

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Post by awill »

This is literally the 'too big to fail' outcome. Boeing sucks. They're only selling planes because AirBus can't build enough for all customers.

It's disappointing that mess after mess they're not held accountable. I suppose on the one hand, the U.S. wants a competitor to AB. But, AB does need a competitor, right? It's not like it's a good thing if Boeing goes away and AB has no competition.

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