Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's always BGP......
Sometimes it's DNS...
Unfortunately BGP problems make DNS problems look trivial :(
Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
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Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
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#113If this doesn't show Canadians that telecommunications are a public utility, I don't know what will. The CRTC's (Canadian FCC) own phones are down[1] today because they're a Rogers customer. If that doesn't scream regulatory capture... 1: https://twitter.com/CRTCeng/status/1545421218534359041
I mean... it isn't as if the CRTC is going to set up their own telco just to operate their own office.
Yeah, but ultimately they are pretty much owned by the big Telco so we are fucked
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#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have a lot of experience in both places. Americans may think think they do, but I don’t think so. As bad as Comcast and others are in the USA, I have found them to be far more efficient and competitive than Rogers or Bell in Canada. Same for banks in Canada. It’s unbelievable what they do and get away with. And airlines. Rather, Airline. I believe there’s a cultural element here: Canadians are more risk adverse and…
I'm a US citizen, Canadian permanent resident. I think it has to do with the fact that historically much of Canada's lands/provinces were literally just land owned by very massive British crown corporations. Massive corporations are baked into the history of Canada as a political entity.
No. "Crown Land" in Canada is owned by the provinces.
There is no such thing as a "British Crown Corporation."
Crown Corporations are a Canadian thing.
I lived in Canada for 30 years and now live in the Scotland. CalMac and Scottish Water are not "Crown Corporations," but are nevertheless owned and controlled by the Scottish Ministers. This is contrast to BC Ferries, ICBC, and BC Hydro which are Crown Corporations.
In the UK there is something called the Crown Estate, which is somethint again different.
Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
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I think people in the USA understand bloated telecoms with monopoly power that means they don't need to compete. In my neighborhood, I have one effective ISP, that is the cable company (who offers phone+internet+cable), the other is an old-school phone company who offers DSL (with bonded DSL, up to 12mbit). I thought that I could get a slow DSL connection to back up my cable, but no, there's some neighborhood line co…
I have a lot of experience in both places. Americans may think think they do, but I don’t think so. As bad as Comcast and others are in the USA, I have found them to be far more efficient and competitive than Rogers or Bell in Canada. Same for banks in Canada. It’s unbelievable what they do and get away with. And airlines. Rather, Airline. I believe there’s a cultural element here: Canadians are more risk adverse and…
New Zealand often seems like a toy country with one of everything. There's the One Bank, the One Telecom, the One Airline.
Not ... exactly. But effectively, yes.
A combination of a tiny population (5.1 millions) and a long way from nowhere (roughly 3,200 km / 2,000 mi from Sydney).
Australia and Canada already have issues from their own small scale (and vast land areas). NZ takes it up a notch.
Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
#116People in other countries probably don't understand just how powerful - and depended upon - the big telecoms are here in Canada. They have no presence outside the country - they are so bloated and inefficient they couldn't compete - but they are omnipresent here. There are lots of people who depend on Rogers for home Internet, home phone, mobile phone, TV, and home security, not to mention business services that cons…
Isn't that true in most countries? Is there any place in the world that can claim to have a diverse, competitive Telco market?
no but i think theres similar zombie giants that is essentially a hybrid state run enterprise but Canada has explicitly designated industries where you simply cannot execute because they are anti-competitive.
and its not clear how individuals are being handed out rights to say run a casino in canada.
if you took a look at canada's corruption, you will be shocked. we don't quite live in a first world even though we like to tell ourselves all of the government officials/servants are honest.
after all the canadian embassy staff in Hong Kong happily handed out PR residency to hardcore organized criminal groups in exchange for various luxuries and perks. when a staff tried to expose it, he was quickly removed and media began to attack him.
its not only that but you see NGO's championing for racist white supremacy linked groups who vandalize Chinatown in Vancouver and with a large chunk of locals who feel that they are "being overrun by a certain ethnic group" eat that up and the same populist individuals get elected again and again. then my tax goes towards those interest while none for me because i'm 'privileged'
in the long run, I see this system breaking down, if not already. Canada no longer feels like a country but some feudalistic interest group driven, poorly run corportation.
so glad i dont have to pay taxes here. the savings and currency difference allowed me to create jobs in another part of the world. there was a time where I hoped things would get better and I could be creating jobs locally.
i just regret wasting my youth in canada and west coast. canada is a bubble and lot of us are moving capital/jobs out of it.
why contribute to a country that just sees you as an ATM to transfer payments to others who blame everyone but themselves and constantly wanting hand outs?
im done with canada and im warning anybody who still attach romantic outlooks, especially in heavily marketed cities like vancouver.
Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
#117People in other countries probably don't understand just how powerful - and depended upon - the big telecoms are here in Canada. They have no presence outside the country - they are so bloated and inefficient they couldn't compete - but they are omnipresent here. There are lots of people who depend on Rogers for home Internet, home phone, mobile phone, TV, and home security, not to mention business services that cons…
Just wait until you hear about the UK. BT/Openreach has control of about 80% of the backhaul/trunk connectivity.
Completely not comparable. Openreach has significant marketshare but is also extremely tightly regulated. It has to allow other providers access to basically every element of its offering, now including its physical ducts and poles.
Hence you have a very competitive market landscape in the UK. There are at least 5 major national retail players using various wholesale products (BT, VM, TalkTalk, Sky, Vodafone), plus dozens of altnets offering FTTH on totally seperate fibre infrastructure have started (Hyperoptic, Cityfibre, GNetworks, Community Fibre).
In my flat in London I have access to 4 seperate FTTH networks (with completely different infrastructure) - Openreach FTTH, VM DOCSIS, Hyperoptic FTTB and Community Fibre FTTH. The market works here, prices are low and there are very few data caps.
Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
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That would make sense, since only Interac relies on Rogers, and it processes debit cards, not credit cards.
Could be one of two things: 1) the site has connectivity so only Interac is down 2) the site has no connectivity and can process credit transactions offline and queue them (don’t tell anyone their expired card will work), but not for debit.
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Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
#119In Toronto, here's a small and non-exhaustive list of affected services: - Point of sale machines. Supermarkets are accepting only cash. - ATMs. Several banks are incapable of dispensing cash. - Public transit ticketing systems. The TTC is effectively running for free, today. - Public bicycle rental stations. - Public parking locations. How long before the public realizes that we are not Rogers' customers, but its ho…
Has any of the big cities ever considered its own municipal internet? I would vote for any politician that has that as a platform immediately.
Re: Rogers network outage across Canada hits banks, businesses and consumers
#120Looks very similar to Facebook's outage. A combination of BGP and DNS problems that started with a configuration change. https://blog.cloudflare.com/october-2021-facebook-outage/
What evidence are you seeing that makes you think this is happening in the Rogers' case? I haven't seen any diagnostics or analysis by anyone.
You probably saw it up thread but since rogers isn't talking this is all we really have: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflares-view-of-the-rogers-c...