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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by kafkaesque »

elefanten wrote: post #141
kafkaesque wrote: post #120

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

The irony of lamenting people's reading material and then posting a Jacobin article the reads like a wall of text internet rant with some tabloid scuttlebutt sprinkled throughout. This is NOT a serious take on Abe. Centrist and professional IR academics laugh at the narrative that he's a fascist. A take that lives up to your handle. Edit: example from (center)left leaning academic economist blogger that speaks specif…

"Some people used to point to my grandfather as a Class-A war criminal suspect and I felt strong repulsion. Because of that experience, I may have become emotionally attached to 'conservatism.'"

Shinzo Abe in his autobiography Towards a Beautiful Country, 2006

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by totetsu »

nonethewiser wrote: post #105
cwwc wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Re: (partially) 1: looks homemade https://twitter.com/Mesuiki_aaaaa/status/1545247925990993920...

Any pics of it that dont require a Twitter account?

https://www.asahi.com/articles/photo/AS20220708001405.html?i...

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Post by dang »

DerekL wrote: post #176

The title doesn't match that of the article, “Former Japan PM Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody”. The word assassinated is incorrect, because that means that he was killed. (Maybe he is dead, but the article doesn't say that.)

We've changed the title now. Submitted title was "Japan’s Ex-PM Abe assassinated during speech".

"Please use the original title, unless it is misleading or linkbait; don't editorialize."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by jclulow »

vlovich123 wrote: post #171
mullingitover wrote: post #132

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> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to aff…

That’s not how gun buy back programs work. Hint they don’t and never have. It’s the same as what happened to that town that tried to solve their rat problem by paying people to bring rat heads. Some enterprising townsfolk started breeding rats.

You have to ban them _and_ buy them back at the same time. You make them illegal to have, then you compensate people for the economic value of the property they now need to surrender for destruction.

That is in fact how buyback schemes work in countries that aren't totally irrational about guns.

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Post by kumarvvr »

chii wrote: post #94
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

Sorry, but why would a complete ban on citizens owning guns, unless for very special cases not severely curb gun violence?

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Post by Legogris »

JetAlone wrote: post #66
bamboozled wrote: post #11

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There is a lot of unspoken of politicial struggles that go on in Japan, take this one for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sanrizuka_Struggle . It's not just a totally peaceful place as many believe. Also, people are economically in a pretty bad place here, borders are still closed with no sign of opening. It might be a long shot but Abenomics was all about making Japan a "service economy", that relied heavily…

I had never heard of the Sanrizuka Struggle. It feels crazy and sad to learn that the airport I arrived at for my move to Japan was on land to be used without consent of the local residents... And I had absolutely no idea of it. Thank you.

Some people held out and still have homes with a dedicated tunnel right in the middle of the runways. Some people I know recently arranged with an owner to rent their place and organized a small techno party there.

https://www.unilad.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Narita-A...

https://piped.kavin.rocks/watch?v=JhYm1oXBN2Y

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Post by bobthepanda »

oynqr wrote: post #197
bigDinosaur wrote: post #161

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Not to minimise shootings, but at least you (or law enforcement) can shoot back, whereas with chemical attacks you cannot. The issue is really that you could scale chemical attacks up immensely and find some truly nasty chemical agents. I'm surprised it hasn't happened more - perhaps due to how dangerous working with extremely toxic chemicals actually is. Either way, wikipedia suggests 1k were injured in the attacks,…

Someone did the math, scaling up chemical attacks is really hard because the stuff dissipates so quickly, even if you have something like sarin.

Also, it is really hard to gather the materials needed in the amounts necessary without raising suspicions, which also says a lot about how Japanese police handled the case.

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Post by rtpg »

mellosouls wrote: post #200
new299 wrote: post #175

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I don't think much of what it written in that article is up for debate? You can check his wikipedia page for example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shinzo_Abe#Political_positions... "Abe is affiliated with the openly ultranationalist organization Nippon Kaigi (Japan Conference). He is considered a right-wing populist and ultra-conservative within the LDP, and some media and books have referred to him as a far-right p…

I don't think much of what it written in that article is up for debate? You can check his wikipedia page for example: Political pages on Wikipedia are notorious for left-leaning editorial domination and are not a useful measure in the way you intend.

You can go look at primary sources. Nippon Kaigi I’d a nationalist organization, plain and simple. It’s public record he’s in it. Moritomo Gakuen as well.

What source of info would you believe in summarizing Shinzo Abe’s policy? The Economist? Basically any in depth coverage of Abe would go into this (not to judge but to state the current political conditions in Japan) so it’s findable

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