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Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by bigDinosaur »

glogla wrote: post #151
bigDinosaur wrote: post #103

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They've also had chemical weapon attacks which are scarier than gun attacks. Give me a person with a gun rather than some lethal chemical piped into the subway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

I'm not sure if it should be scarier - the deadliest terrorist gas attack in Japan killed less people than the regularly scheduled weekly mass shooting in US usually does.

Not to minimise shootings, but at least you (or law enforcement) can shoot back, whereas with chemical attacks you cannot. The issue is really that you could scale chemical attacks up immensely and find some truly nasty chemical agents. I'm surprised it hasn't happened more - perhaps due to how dangerous working with extremely toxic chemicals actually is. Either way, wikipedia suggests 1k were injured in the attacks, so it's not just deaths. Imagine a terrorist who attacked with a chemical agent that just made you blind or gave you brain damage, but didn't kill you. Would that not be much scarier than being shot?

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by [deleted] »

wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by cute_boi »

chii wrote: post #94
wirthjason wrote: post #84

And after debating gun violence all week with my friends in the wake of the 4th of July shooting in Highland Park I made an example of Japan and it’s low gun violence. Now this happens. Crazy stuff still happens in Japan but it’s usually a knife or ax. But guns and Abe are on another level.

My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

I am sorry, but it will stop if guns are banned for ordinary people. How many school shootings happen in China or India? I am taking china and india because they are populous and don't have gun distributed freely like in US.

The fact is quantity matters in such cases. Having 1 incidence vs 10 or 20 is a huge difference.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by gedy »

nonethewiser wrote: post #105
cwwc wrote: post #43

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Re: (partially) 1: looks homemade https://twitter.com/Mesuiki_aaaaa/status/1545247925990993920...

Any pics of it that dont require a Twitter account?

https://nitter.net/pic/orig/media%2FFXHSzExaIAAaAXe.jpg

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by xupybd »

fithisux wrote: post #144
syockit wrote: post #136

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Far-left? He was trying to reverse the clock for Japan.

I think he was talking about the magazine the article was written in. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jacobin_(magazine)

"Jacobin is a magazine aimed at the American Left based in New York. It offers socialist perspectives on politics, economics and culture. As of 2021, the magazine reported a paid print circulation of 75,000 and over 3 million monthly visitors"

"Jacobin has been variously described as democratic socialist, socialist and Marxist."

I think it's fair to say they are Far-left by definition. Unfortunately that is often used as a slur but I think it is accurate in this case.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by genem9 »

kafkaesque wrote: post #120

A good man? Do people here read anything non-tech related? Shinzo Abe was a world-renown revisionist who tried to turn Japan back into a far-right, ultra-racist country. Look, you guys are super smart with computers, but stop this absolute nonsense. https://jacobin.com/2017/03/abe-nippon-kaigi-japan-far-right

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Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by plaguepilled »

hunterb123 wrote: post #150
plaguepilled wrote: post #146

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Criticising a previous leader is racist? Or is criticising pro-militarisation racist? Please explain Edit: there was a comment below stating that the GP was slandering Abe (which is false: slander means false and malicious statements. It cannot be labelled false if there is a pretense for the claim, and if you think that comment is malicious... That's a touch delicate, no?). The comment also said GP was picking a 'cl…

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Slander? Wat? There is a pretense to support the claim, it is not slander if it is supported.

The timing relates to OPs harmful take. GP even addressed OP directly.

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by sofixa »

hunterb123 wrote: post #153
foobaw wrote: post #110

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we should all mourn this tragedy but do not paint this guy as a good man. He is a historical revisionist.

Would you like to expand your criticism? I see a lot of vague hate for him here and biased links being posted. What exactly is your issue with him? Without using buzzwords like "historic revisionist" or "far-right, ultra-racist". - edit - Mainly people are saying he's racist because he visited Yasukini Shrine that honors the dead from Japan's wars when he resigned to "inform the spirits". It's not like visiting a "Na…

He is, like many other Japanese, hell bent on rewriting Japanese history with a positive spin, completely ignoring or at best downplaying their colonisation atrocities before and during WW2. Wasn't he the one who went to a shrine to a "WW2 hero" who also just happened to be a war criminal?

Historic revisionism is an apt description, not a "buzzword".

Re: Former Japan PM Shinzo Abe Unconscious After Shooting; Man in Custody

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Post by daenz »

mullingitover wrote: post #132
chii wrote: post #94

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My take is that gun violence has several different categories, and gun control only helps some of them (such as accidental, or emotional, spur of the moment shootings), but doesn't prevent any premeditated ones. It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. The root cause of gun violence…

> It will not stop people like the one at 4th july, nor those school shootings. Unless the gun control laws completely outlaw civilians owning guns - which i dont think will fly. You sure about that? If we had an aggressive gun buyback program and really dried up the supply, sure, you might still be able to buy an assault rifle from the criminal underworld. However, if you have the disposable income to be able to aff…

Guns, but only for criminals and rich people? No thanks.
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