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Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

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post #20

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A death threat is clearly different from an insult. And I'm not sure why you lump death wishes in with threat. Those are also clearly different.

No they are not. At least not in the so called civilised countries.

A threat of action is different than mean words. A threat of action is a violent act, where as saying mean things is just rude. A threat of action is a crime in multiple countries.

Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

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Here in Germany we once had a guy have his apartment raided by 6 cops because he wrote a tweet to a local politician that said "You're such a dick". That's all he said.

If anything, politicians should be the first people you are protected to critisize. Politicians work for you — the voting citizen — and if they are doing a poor job you have the right to let them know.

It is frankly insane to watch the frog boil in places where you can have your house raided for insulting someone online. There is a wave of government authoritarianism in many places around the globe, and many citizens are happy with these growing nanny states.

Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

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How is it wrong? If you are a public figure getting bombarded with death wishes/threats or vile comments about how someone will kill and mutilate your family what are you supposed to do just take it? There has to be consequences for people like that, like there are in real life.

The issue, as the article says, is that the law doesn't define what an insult is. That means that a death threat or saying "you're stupid" could potentially both be prosecuted under this law.

That stems from the fact that any definition of an insult will be either incomplete or incorrect.

Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

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Here in Germany we once had a guy have his apartment raided by 6 cops because he wrote a tweet to a local politician that said "You're such a dick". That's all he said.

It was more like „you’re such a wiener“. The most harmless way of referring to a penis. Pimmelgate made it to Wikipedia.

Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue, as the article says, is that the law doesn't define what an insult is. That means that a death threat or saying "you're stupid" could potentially both be prosecuted under this law.

That stems from the fact that any definition of an insult will be either incomplete or incorrect.

Not saying you're wrong, but why is this a fact?

Surely for a legal purpose you could make a pretty solid definition. If you want it to be fully black and white, you could enumerate all 'banned' insults.

Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it wrong? If you are a public figure getting bombarded with death wishes/threats or vile comments about how someone will kill and mutilate your family what are you supposed to do just take it? There has to be consequences for people like that, like there are in real life.

A death threat is clearly different from an insult. And I'm not sure why you lump death wishes in with threat. Those are also clearly different.

Death threats are different, but insults can also lead to death (there's already an history of suicide as a direct result of sustained bullying)

In a distorted way, insults can have more critical consequences that threats.

Re: Japan to start jailing people for online insults

#30
post #23

This is this just criminalizing libel or does the prosecutor need to prove someone has been offended ?

The plain text exactly contradictions your question "The law says an insult means demeaning someone without a specific fact about them — as opposed to defamation"
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