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Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

#71

Could anyone explain to me in simple terms how it's possible to have a blackout on Vested stock? I was under the impression that once I'm "vested" the stock is now mine and I own it like any normal stock. Are "vested" shares something different? Could I say for example sell my shares on Robinhood if the blackout wasn't in effect or are they held by some third party?

Vested shares are not special in and of themselves. However employees often have blackout periods for any kind of stock they hold - ESPP, RSU, Options, etc. In many cases even stock you purchased separately with your own after-tax money can be subject to a blackout (though the company would not have a mechanism to directly block your trades you could run the risk of SEC violations).

The blackouts apply to employees because they often have insider information, even if that information may be of minimal real value. The SEC has really clamped down on tech stock trading in the last couple of decades. Those of us who had stock/options in the late 90's dot-com boom likely participated in several stock trades that would be outright illegal today.

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

#72

My understanding was that this sort of stock sale blackout is typically an internal thing to avoid insider trading liability, but if you've been laid off, you would no longer be internal and therefore no longer subject to the blackout. Is that not how it's structured here?

That's how it worked last time I left a publicly traded company during a blackout period.

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

#73

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> The money they need pay bills and keep them afloat if and until they get new employment. How will these people that were making well into six figures possibly survive?

People tend to spend money in relativity to what they earn. https://thehill.com/changing-america/resilience/smart-cities... The same forces that encourage rampant consumerism in people who can't afford it, do it to people who can afford it - and then suddenly discover that they can't.

"lifestyle creep"

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

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Once they leave the company they are free to sell the stock. They are not beholden to a stock blackout anymore.

That isn't how it works unfortunately. If the shares vest during the blackout period they're only released to the employee, or former employee, once the blackout ends. The employees can't sell these until the blackout is lifted. Currently there is no end date set.

So this would only be an issue if they had no savings and had turned+burned all of their RSUs each pay period? (or, to be more charitable, just hit their 1 year cliff).

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

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Now go look at the cost of a home or apartment in San Francisco or nearby towns. I'll wait...

Is SF the only city in the US? What stops them from moving to another part of the country? I moved across the globe, twice for the last 12 months, with my family. It’s definitely doable.

Often visas - either that they cannot get visas to live or work in a different country, or because leaving the US would cause them to abandon potentially decades of progress towards permanent residency.

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

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Is SF the only city in the US? What stops them from moving to another part of the country? I moved across the globe, twice for the last 12 months, with my family. It’s definitely doable.

> What stops them from moving to another part of the country? Cost. Paying early termination on your rental contract. Paying to move. First, last, and a cleaning deposit at your new place. Stocking a new place with perishables. An easy 3+ grand to move to an inexpensive town. Loss of salary/job opportunities. You won't have the same job opportunities, nor salary ranges, if you live in a less expensive part of the cou…

> An easy 3+ grand to move to an inexpensive town.

I think 3 grand is probably an underestimate for any significant move. It cost me $1k to move ~2.5 miles across town the last time I moved.

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

#77

My understanding was that this sort of stock sale blackout is typically an internal thing to avoid insider trading liability, but if you've been laid off, you would no longer be internal and therefore no longer subject to the blackout. Is that not how it's structured here?

so all you have to do if you have some great insider tips is to quit your company and exercise your options in some big, gainful ways?

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

#78

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For us old people, what is "talent" ?

"recruitment", since labelling humans as resources is apparently inhumane

Did you just assume their humanity?

You need to take a remedial course on treating Entities of Other Existence with respect.

We'll have to get back to you on when you can register, we're a little under-entitied in the Carbon-Based Respirating Encouragement and Retention Department.

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

#79

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Seriously. I wouldn’t be surprised if the lowest total comp was in excess of $200k/year. If you can’t have 6 months in cash sitting in a high yield savings account on that, there’s no amount of severance that will help you.

Let's pretend some of these SF twitter employees have families. $4k in rent monthly, 4k in general living expenses (these are based off median figures available publicly) A bit over $96k in living costs. Assuming that $200k in total comp includes about 25% in stock (based off publicly reported comp packages for twitter employees), and a combined state/federal 35% tax rate... They have no spare money to save without a…

$4k is the going rate for a nice-ish 1 bedroom apartment in a good SF neighborhood. The people I know who have a partner and one child are typically spending $5-6k/mo if they're renting.

Re: Twitter Layoff Started Today

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post #77

My understanding was that this sort of stock sale blackout is typically an internal thing to avoid insider trading liability, but if you've been laid off, you would no longer be internal and therefore no longer subject to the blackout. Is that not how it's structured here?

so all you have to do if you have some great insider tips is to quit your company and exercise your options in some big, gainful ways?

You can still be charged with insider trading. You just won't be stopped from making the trade.
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