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Flânerie: The Art of Aimless Strolling

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fear is mostly irrational, as people are generally bad at perceiving risk objectively. statistics show that nearly all cities and neighborhoods are generally quite safe for casual visitors and residents alike. vehicular accidents are more likely than violent confrontation, for instance, yet no one bats an eye at getting into a car. even in the rare occasion of some type of confrontation, most people want to resolve i…

I accidentally walked through a Rio favela one evening. Never ran into anyone and didn’t realize it until the next day when I was looking at a map. But I believe by most accounts, that was foolish and lucky. Crime, including robbery and kidnapping, is quite common in Rio. It’s common for nice buildings to have armed guards outside them. I’m American so I’d love to hear locals tell me how wrong/right my belief of luck…

I've accidentally walked through a few "bad" neighborhoods while traveling and mostly found them just fine. I think the thing is that they might be fine to travel through once or twice because the odds really aren't all that high you'll get mugged, but if you travel through there every day of your life because it's where you live, you're much more likely to at some point have witnessed or experienced first-hand the violence. So it's understandable that locals might steer you away, even if it's still not especially likely that you'll have a bad experience on the one time you pass through.

That said, I often get poor advice from wealthier residents of "dangerous" cities, because they tend to sequester themselves from the poorer parts of town and think it absurd that any traveler would want to visit or pass through. I suspect in that case there is some kind of classism or other prejudice involved that as an outsider you are immune to because you didn't grow up in the environment that produced it.

Either way, although locals can provide you with some data points, I think ultimately when you're traveling you have to make your own risk assessment based on the situation. And this is true whether you are in a city or the countryside - I think it's an awareness that most frequent travelers develop over time.

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It must be exhausting being this afraid of the world around you

There are a lot of dismissive replies to this comment but as a woman who has tried this in "safe" but unfamiliar cities, things can get scary very quickly. Catcalls are inevitable, and only the beginning. A catcall from a passing car that has slowed to swerve towards you is terrifying. Yes, self-defense and being aware of your surroundings help, but don't exactly lend themselves to the state of mind described in this…

Thank you for the reminder. As a 95 kg white male who only on a few very rare occasions felt even a bit nervous walking anywhere, it is good to get a reminder that different people experience our same world very differently.

Re: Flânerie: The Art of Aimless Strolling

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Great idea... in a safe city

The same behaviors will get you mugged in safe cities and unsafe cities. Wonder like a local. Look casually disinterested just like you're walking home from work.

Hilarious! You must have only been in the first world then.

I moved from one of the most dangerous cities in the world to one of the safest. Wandering in the latter is fun, in the former - it's Russian roulette. You have to go from A to B, as fast and carefully as possible.

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This is my first comment but I have read this site daily since I created the account in March. I felt that my experience would be a valuable addition to the thread and I am not attempting to speak for all women. I'm sorry if it came off that way and I am genuinely happy that you haven't had this experience. This site seems to be a bit of an echo chamber sometimes so I thought I'd offer a differing opinion.

I hope you keep commenting! I think your experience brought a good balance to an otherwise one-sided viewpoint.

I think a lot of people here haven't really been exposed to actual dangerous areas in the world, but even in seemingly safe areas, I know a lot of my female friends feel very unsafe walking there alone. All it takes is one drunk dude...

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We have a similar word in English, "perambulating". The Brits sometimes call it "rambling", as well. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/perambulate

As a New Zealander, I wouldn’t say either of those words were similar, although I admit our usage of English is special.

My naive interpretation of those words is: perambulate is closer to just walking; rambling is a country walk with the sense of avoiding normal walking routes, but often planned and often walking with others (really need UK person to clarify).

Wander or meander-through have the sense of randomness, but lack the intentionality of deep attention to your surroundings.

Re: Flânerie: The Art of Aimless Strolling

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The same behaviors will get you mugged in safe cities and unsafe cities. Wonder like a local. Look casually disinterested just like you're walking home from work.

Hilarious! You must have only been in the first world then. I moved from one of the most dangerous cities in the world to one of the safest. Wandering in the latter is fun, in the former - it's Russian roulette. You have to go from A to B, as fast and carefully as possible.

It’s implied that we’re only talking about the first world here

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What is the equivalent of doing this in a car? Just driving around aimlessly, thinking and observing.

One time I went on a drive and only took right turns and only when I felt it might be interesting. Ended up in a suburban area I'd never seen before and discovered a restaurant from a chain in my home state that I didn't realize was here.

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Great idea... in a safe city

Something tells me you spend very little time in cities, period.

On the contrary. I've never lived in a non-city, and have spent most of my life surrounded by 10m+ people. Check your biases.

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There are a lot of dismissive replies to this comment but as a woman who has tried this in "safe" but unfamiliar cities, things can get scary very quickly. Catcalls are inevitable, and only the beginning. A catcall from a passing car that has slowed to swerve towards you is terrifying. Yes, self-defense and being aware of your surroundings help, but don't exactly lend themselves to the state of mind described in this…

Thank you for the reminder. As a 95 kg white male who only on a few very rare occasions felt even a bit nervous walking anywhere, it is good to get a reminder that different people experience our same world very differently.

I'm a big guy too. It's always good to remember that women and smaller men essentially live in a different world from us from a safety point of view.

But in a truly dangerous city, size won't help you - even a kid can kill you with a gun or a knife.

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