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Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by welterde »

esarbe wrote: post #40
robonerd wrote: post #27

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I never experienced any trouble with audio in linux before pulseaudio. There is no memory repression here; only gaslighting from you, telling me I experienced something I didn't.

> only gaslighting from you, telling me I experienced something I didn't. Oh dear.. I'm not going to comment on that. I don't think it's productive. > I never experienced any trouble with audio I refer to stuff alsa drivers reporting wrong values[0] or cards being locked to a specific rate [1] Before pulseaudio only one application could access the sound card. And alsa-mixer was broken half of the time. The list of d…

> Before pulseaudio only one application could access the sound card.

That's only true if the sound card has no hardware mixing support (or very limited number of streams, where it would suddenly break after a certain number of applications) _and_ the alsa setup didn't include dmix (software mixing).

Not sure what problems you had with alsamixer, for me it always worked (but maybe I never tried anything sufficiently fancy for it to break).

But I am with the previous poster on this. I have had way more problems with pulseaudio than without. Also it's not only alsa drivers that can be at fault here, but pulseaudio also consults other hardware databases which alsa does not use, which can contain mistakes that can make pulseaudio unusable (had that issue not even a month ago with an external usb sound card).

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by corrral »

Crysstalis wrote: post #165
corrral wrote: post #163

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> That doesn't follow unless you consider "developing a software that becomes popular" to be a method or a choice. THIS doesn't make sense unless you consider that to be the only thing that happened. If it had been, this story would never have made HN in the first place.

I think that is the terminal reason for your complaint, if it was unpopular we probably also wouldn't even be talking about this.

OK, this has to be intentional at this point. Bye, HAND.

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by Crysstalis »

corrral wrote: post #182
Crysstalis wrote: post #165

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I think that is the terminal reason for your complaint, if it was unpopular we probably also wouldn't even be talking about this.

OK, this has to be intentional at this point. Bye, HAND.

I don't know what you mean intentional. The problem is that you feel pressured to use it, no? Well it seems that pressure comes mostly from its popularity, or you would be using something else.

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by Crysstalis »

robonerd wrote: post #178
Crysstalis wrote: post #38

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Have you by chance checked the bug tracker, or reported this bug, or attempted to do any debugging to find the root cause?

"Why didn't you just become a pulseaudio dev if you hate pulseaudio so much" Get fucking real, I have better things to do with my life than waste time ingratiating myself with the likes of pusleaudio devs. "Audio stopped working" describes hundreds if not thousands of pulseaudio bugs, do you really expect frustrated end users to drop everything else going on in their life and spend weeks learning the ropes of this sh…

>do you really expect frustrated end users to drop everything else going on in their life and spend weeks learning the ropes of this shit

Are you sure you're responding to the correct post? I didn't say anything remotely like this. I asked if you would report the bug or try to do a little debugging, like spending a few minutes up to an hour. You don't have to learn any ropes, the internals should be very familiar to anyone who knows C and has some knowledge of audio. If this is important to your job, the company should be willing to let you do this on paid time. This stuff is open source, you either have a support vendor you pay to fix these bugs, or your company assigns developers to fix them yourself. There is no other way it happens. It's not a waste of time if you actually fix the bug.

And just to stress this, there is no other way the bugs get fixed. This is it. This is the whole thing. Some person somewhere does actually need to drop everything and go and start spending time fixing the bugs. No, it doesn't have to be for weeks. If you think a thousand bugs is a lot, well, yeah, it is. That's why you need to go take some initiative to give some information, to make your bug known and make it possible for anyone else to help. Otherwise, it blends in with all the other low-information bugs and it falls back on you to go fix it yourself. A bug report that just says "it doesn't work" with no additional information is not actionable, you need to provide more than that for anyone to be able to help you. If you become hostile after being asked to spend a few minutes reporting bugs, then it is definitely going to be impossible for anyone to help you.

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by seba_dos1 »

robonerd wrote: post #179
seba_dos1 wrote: post #160

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I use to do that quite often with Pulse, and on Plasma it's just a matter of drag'n'drop in audio systray applet.

Okay, I have two computers on my LAN right now, one running OpenSUSE with KDE and Pulseaudio, the other with Debian and Pulseaudio. I want to send my audio from the OpenSUSE computer to the Debian computer. What do I drag, and to where? There's nothing dragable in my systray that even mentions the Debian computer. I'm quite sure this process starts with me writing some config files on both of these computers. That's…

> I'm quite sure this process starts with me writing some config files on both of these computers.

So don't be so sure ;)

You just tick a checkbox in paprefs to enable networking (which is perfectly reasonable, as in most cases you don't want to have it enabled by default), and that's it. It finds the other PC via zeroconf and it shows up as a regular output device.

Depending on distro you use, you may need to install PulseAudio's zeroconf module and make sure Avahi is running, but a properly configured desktop distro will have all that either by default or a single package installation away these days.

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by rasz »

sam_lowry_ wrote: post #154
int_19h wrote: post #80

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Miguel de Icaza left Microsoft in March, 2022.

Ok, so they hired Lennaert as replacement, finally!

not so surprised pikachu face https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-...

Good job Lennart destroying Linux from inside.

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by growse »

traverseda wrote: post #136
lamontcg wrote: post #129

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Things like systemd suffer from the xkcd traffic engineer syndrome: https://xkcd.com/277/ Same thing with cars that were designed in the 1960s before we had to worry about things like emissions and crash safety. Sysvinit is great up until you have a use case that it winds up sucking for. Most people don't hit that problem, or don't realize that their high level problem (correctly handling something being hotswapped p…

OpenRC is pretty good and I think it addressed most of the issues systemd was originally intended to solve. Let's all just use it.

> Let's all just use it.

How about you use the software you want to use, and I'll use the software I want to use?

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by dane-pgp »

rasz wrote: post #186
sam_lowry_ wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok, so they hired Lennaert as replacement, finally!

not so surprised pikachu face https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Systemd-... Good job Lennart destroying Linux from inside.

Called it!

Re: PulseAudio and Systemd Creator, Lennart Poettering, Reportedly Leaves Red Hat

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Post by deathanatos »

atoav wrote: post #100
deathanatos wrote: post #85

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Yeah, same; I can't help but think there is a vocal minority in these threads that thinks Pulse is broken. I use Pulse for some pretty complicated stuff, too; I'll pipe individual streams to my speakers, if I want to show something to my SO (e.g., a reddit video) but want to keep, like, my music or my backgrounded game on the headset. I can do that with PA, and honestly pretty easily. AFAIK, no other system supports…

Ever used a soundcard with more than two inputs and more than two outputs? Or better: that soundcard while also outputing audio via HDMI? PA is ok if you use consumer software for consumer tasks. As soon as you go into the production side of things (or even do it live and/or for money) things can fall appart pretty quickly. The vocal PA critics I know don't even complain about the way pulseaudio does things. They com…

Yes to both. My laptop has HDMI & TRS out. AFAIK, the soundcard is not capable of emitting to both HDMI & the TRS port simultaneously, but it's also not something I've ever wanted to do, so I'll admit that the limit of my use case there.

(I'll use a bluetooth headphone, if I want audio while pushing something to HDMI. Though I could see using TRS headphones being a nice to have, and I honestly don't know how to configure that, or if it is even possible, since it's all represented as one card in PA.)

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