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Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Post by ETH_start »

_8j50 wrote: post #50
ETH_start wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. Or the law itself is impossible to comply with: https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/wokeness-as-saddam-sta... >>Even after the case has been litigated, we still do not know what exactly Tesla could have done to avoid the $137 million ju…

Yet, none of the other electric car makers face this. Ford employs a lot of black and white people in michigan but you don't see this there.

Could be a function of anti-discrimination lawyers focusing on the most high profile, deep pocketed carmaker.

But as it happens, Ford, along with probably every one large American company, has been targeted numerous times by discrimination lawsuits:

https://www.google.com/search?q=ford+discrimination+lawsuit&...

Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Post by polski-g »

perfectma wrote: post #47
cosmin800 wrote: post #37

It kind of started when Elon said that he is going to vote with the republicans - full disclouse, I do not like Elon, he crashed bitcoin and crypto many times.

Didn't these start years ago - way before he said that?

Right after Tesla left California.

Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Post by HWR_14 »

natch wrote: post #42
thebradbain wrote: post #27

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> Yes the underlying (if true) behavior is bad too. Not just bad, but illegal. If Tesla is losing court cases — which they are — then that’s because the judge and jury believe based on the evidence presented and argued that Tesla, as a company, was at fault. If it’s happened, they SHOULD be sued. No ifs ands or buts about it. > We should at least consider the possibility this is just a bunch of lowlifes trying to cas…

It’s simplistic to just trust the justice system in this case. Since short sellers pushing false narratives have drummed up a lot of hate, Tesla sometimes has to “take the hit” as Elon put it. Judges and juries have the power, not lawyers. And they are not perfect and neutral, even though in a naively idealistic notion they are supposed to be. Also your points were well answered by a different commenter but instead o…

> short sellers pushing false narratives have drummed up a lot of hate

I haven't really seen evidence of false narratives. They definately push negative news.

> Tesla sometimes has to “take the hit” as Elon put it.

Wait, you dismiss what short sellers say because of economic incentives but don't consider that Elon Musk could be putting out a false narrative? Because his entire personal net worth wouldn't collapse to zero if Tesla tanks?

At any rate, a jury trial is as good as you can get to determine truth. After all, highly paid people on both sides present as powerful an argument as they can to twelve disinterested people. How better to figure out what's true?

Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Post by HWR_14 »

bigmealbigmeal wrote: post #19
Railsify wrote: post #14

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His family became wealthy during apartheid, they were beneficiaries of state sponsored racism, I'd say he is at least indifferent to it as long as he is not suffering any consequences.

It's a logical leap to suggest that indirectly benefitting from something means one is indifferent to that thing. We're all beneficiaries of child labour in the third world; it doesn't mean we're all indifferent to it. Most of us at least disapprove . Errol Musk claimed to the New York Times that he belonged to the anti-apartheid Progressive Party at the time. Elon Musk said in his biography that he did not want to p…

> Elon Musk said in his biography that he did not want to partake in South Africa's mandatory military service

The children of rich people deciding they don't want to participate in the draft isn't a moral stand. It's not a unique thing, nor a condemnation of the country.

Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Post by FooBarBizBazz »

natch wrote: post #44
FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #32

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Tesla itself has engaged in frivolous lawsuits against competitors. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

Citation needed.

They've sued Fisker, Rivian, Zoox, Xiaopeng, and more. Just Google "tesla lawsuit trade secret". Maybe some of those cases were legitimate, but were all of them? I doubt it. They seem to sue anybody who goes to a competitor, unless that person has a very low profile.

Re: Lawsuit: At Tesla, racial discrimination is “standard operating procedure”

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Post by natch »

FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #55
natch wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Citation needed.

They've sued Fisker, Rivian, Zoox, Xiaopeng, and more. Just Google "tesla lawsuit trade secret". Maybe some of those cases were legitimate, but were all of them? I doubt it. They seem to sue anybody who goes to a competitor, unless that person has a very low profile.

Thanks for the reply; now that you mention those keywords I do recall having heard of some of these. I guess "frivolous" is in the eye of the beholder here.
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