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So hypothetically if someone wanted to opt-out of this essentially corrupt system completely, how would they go about it? I mean paying taxes in a country with bailouts certainly ties you up into the system. Even without bailouts, living in a country tied to a dollar that's being printed like mad kind of ties you up into it too right? So... how exactly would one go about this? Possible?
It's not trivial, but one way you could opt out would be...opting out. http://www.trulymovingpictures.org/festival-years/2010/movie... Linked is a review of the movie Zero Currency , about a former social worker who stopped using money or barter. Disclaimer: I haven't seen it. A good place to start would be to own your own home, aggressively invest in solar energy, and grow your own food.* All that's pretty expensive…
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#42A normal person would never starve a child to better his own lot. Instead he will give his pension fund savings to Goldman Sachs, who will then promptly cause a world-wide famine by manipulating the food markets. Which is why GS gets paid the big bucks - they absolve the future retirees of the moral responsibility for the starvation of the less fortunate.
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#43A similar thing is happening with generic chemotherapy drugs. Profit margins for generics are thin, so few companies manufacture them. When a supply issue arises, distributors stockpile the drug and charge hospitals one or two scales of magnitude of the generic price.
... which is a perfect example of why we need derivatives markets. If hospitals purchased drugs a year in advance of anticipated demand, they would pay a slight premium, but wouldn't be subject to squeezes like this.
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#44Investment banks do provide valuable services: market making (providing liquidity in many markets), capital raising, the creation of financial instruments so investors can hedge against certain kinds of risk and so on. Unfortunately I think we're reaching the point of banks overstepping their bounds and creating far more problems than they really should. This strategy seems similar to the "demand shock" approach they…
I hear this argument a lot. While I think it would be an exaggeration to say that what Wall Street does benefits no one, at the same time it's clear that what Wall Street does is designed primarily to benefit themselves. Any benefit to society is merely a happy accident that gets leveraged for propaganda purposes, whereas on a day to day basis what they're really doing is earning money off the backs of those that are actually trying to do things that benefit society.
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#46Investment banks do provide valuable services: market making (providing liquidity in many markets), capital raising, the creation of financial instruments so investors can hedge against certain kinds of risk and so on. Unfortunately I think we're reaching the point of banks overstepping their bounds and creating far more problems than they really should. This strategy seems similar to the "demand shock" approach they…
"Investment banks do provide valuable services: market making (providing liquidity in many markets), capital raising, the creation of financial instruments so investors can hedge against certain kinds of risk and so on." I hear this argument a lot. While I think it would be an exaggeration to say that what Wall Street does benefits no one, at the same time it's clear that what Wall Street does is designed primarily t…
So what?
I don't begrudge them making a profit. Capitalism is the engine that propelled us from riding around on horses to putting a man on the Moon in the span of one man's lifetime.
But there are builders and extractors [1]. Allowing a farmer to forward-sell his crop so his income is known adds value. It also allows consumers to know what price they're paying in advance. Both of these make a profit for the bank but they provide value to both parties. This is not a zero sum game.
But when banks create funds that stockpile food for the purpose of driving up prices, the only real beneficiary is the bank's investors. In the short term, suppliers benefit from higher prices but long term you face increased inflation if the price rise is sufficiently large and you start applying the inevitable "me too" to other industries.
If you'd like to see how well denying the profit motive works you need look no further than the former Soviet Union.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
In case you didn't read the preceding comment carefully, he knows that what you say is true, he just doesn't give a shit -- and, moreover, knows that you can't do a damn thing about it.
We can overthrow existing power structures and execute him. Has happened before, will happen again. Amusingly, the harder he works and the better he is at his job, the closer this gets.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Investment banks do provide valuable services: market making (providing liquidity in many markets), capital raising, the creation of financial instruments so investors can hedge against certain kinds of risk and so on." I hear this argument a lot. While I think it would be an exaggeration to say that what Wall Street does benefits no one, at the same time it's clear that what Wall Street does is designed primarily t…
> at the same time it's clear that what Wall Street does is designed primarily to benefit themselves. So what? I don't begrudge them making a profit. Capitalism is the engine that propelled us from riding around on horses to putting a man on the Moon in the span of one man's lifetime. But there are builders and extractors [1]. Allowing a farmer to forward-sell his crop so his income is known adds value. It also allow…
The solution in the aftermath of the Great Depression was Glass-Steagal and capital controls globally. This meant,
1. The money supply effectively only circulated within each country and transfers between countries were always linked to trade. Since jobs follow business investment, this meant very high employment per nation.
2. Financial instability had minimal to zero systemic impact in advanced countries because banks were only permitted to engage in funding and financing directly related to the real economy.
3. In addition, a side effect due to the partitioning and lack of artificial wealth interconnectedness, TBTF was not possible.
4. All manner of speculators were able to exist even then, but they knew they only had one chance with the capital they had since completely different types of financial activity were not allowed to co-mingle under the same organisation or group.
5. Finally, money was linked to the gold standard and debt creation (including printing) that did not relate to trade was very difficult - though not impossible, especially for governments which wanted to run or extend huge war machines for their empires.
Having to pay for the Vietnam War and coinciding with domestic inflation, caused Nixon to move the dollar off the gold standard in 1971, a fitting end to the Golden Age on 15 August 1971. Almost exactly 40 years later, here we are - in real (inflation-adjusted) economic terms per capita for median person effectively back to square zero with the worst in the real economy still to come as the ripples of the crises continue on through entire sovereigns.
An alternative way to look at it, is that the combination of financial deregulation and financial "innovation" since 1980 caused capital to move well-ahead of the globalisation of the real economy. Like a very strong wave, it caused ripples and bubbles in the assets available to it before real growth and high quality assets (including highly educated workers) backing it caught up. In a sense, the financial industry became too efficient at shifting liquidity and wealth transfer relative to the underlying economy. Combine this with the enormous increase in money supply generated by the political masters of the new fiat currencies, this meant the mother of all deleveraging and financial crisis was being deferred into the future. Well, the future is here now.
In short, there is a reason why in every country above subsistence level in the world, the financial industry is almost as heavily regulated as the nuclear industry. Like writing a good, large and complex computer program, having a few huge procedures with many side effects is far worse along every dimension than having many much smaller and well-organised functions with minimal to no side-effects.
The solution is "Compartmentalization" aka. Glass-Steagall on steroids for the financial industry. It is even advocated by high profile economists and others who publicly foresaw the 2007 crisis.
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#49Investment banks do provide valuable services: market making (providing liquidity in many markets), capital raising, the creation of financial instruments so investors can hedge against certain kinds of risk and so on. Unfortunately I think we're reaching the point of banks overstepping their bounds and creating far more problems than they really should. This strategy seems similar to the "demand shock" approach they…
Why do you assert that Australia "didn't have the bubble in real estate prices that the US did"? We have a significant asset bubble here. It hasn't popped primarily because we've had government-sponsored inflation of prices via the First Home Owner's Grant. The unwinding of the asset bubble finally seems to be happening in Australia now and will trigger many of the same financial issues for our banks (for instance Co…
To suggest the FHOG (which is $7,000 now and only ever got as high as $14,000) is responsible for this is disingenuous at best. What's your argument for this?
There are two basic components in house prices: the cost of land and the cost of construction.
Land is essentially scarce. Sure there is lots more land that we haven't built on than we have (particularly in Australia) but desirability comes into play here as do infrastructure costs. There is only so far you can effectively live from work centres. The further you have to build out the more roads, public transport (if you even have it), water, electricity, etc cost.
Land has certainly increased in value in Australia but a huge component of the increases is in the cost of construction. Nowadays it's hard to build a house for less than about $200,000. That is (IMHO) a huge problem. Building apartments now is in most capital cities prohibitively expensive for the middle class.
To give you an example, I pay less for my one bedroom in downtown Manhattan than the apartment I used to live in in West Perth now costs. Manhattan.
Conventional wisdom is that property is a good hedge against inflation. The massive inflation in construction costs should tell you something about inflation. Despite what the ABS may say about the CPI, the standard of living in Australia has dropped massively in the last decade, particularly in Perth.
This probably mirrors the massive housing inflation and the after-effects you saw in Sydney in the 70s and 80s, which results in those with homes being cash-poor and asset-rich and those left standing when the music stopped just being poor.
You just can't compare what's happening in the US and Australia. In the US in many large cities you can still buy a house for <$100,000. Where can you say that in Australia?
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#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Investment banks do provide valuable services: market making (providing liquidity in many markets), capital raising, the creation of financial instruments so investors can hedge against certain kinds of risk and so on." I hear this argument a lot. While I think it would be an exaggeration to say that what Wall Street does benefits no one, at the same time it's clear that what Wall Street does is designed primarily t…
> at the same time it's clear that what Wall Street does is designed primarily to benefit themselves. So what? I don't begrudge them making a profit. Capitalism is the engine that propelled us from riding around on horses to putting a man on the Moon in the span of one man's lifetime. But there are builders and extractors [1]. Allowing a farmer to forward-sell his crop so his income is known adds value. It also allow…
Except for that it was actually socialism that put a man on the moon, seeing as it was a government project.