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Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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It's an awkward and elitist thing to say, but I believe it to be true: whatever is embraced by the masses, suffers in some ways. The expert/nerd internet was pioneering, weird, edgy, cooperative. The internet for the masses is...different. You'll see the same effect in movies, following "safe" formulas. Every movie must have a romantic side story, no matter how irrelevant. It must deliver to the broadest audience pos…

I might phrase it, "whatever is embraced by the masses becomes more appealing to the masses." Broadening in appeal is not necessarily worse, although it's surely worse from the perspective of the initial specialized interest group.

Yes, the Internet of yesteryear was more interesting to our type of people, but it had no appeal whatsoever to anyone else. The world is better off today with an Internet that billions find fun and useful, even if it's way less fun for us specifically.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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I remember the thousands of interesting and weird pages listed on StumbleUpon - directories of obscure topics, avant garde art projects and detailed field specific blogs - many of them both pretty and thoroughly made. Mind expanding stuff. I feel like today all of that has moved to silos like tiktok and instagram, in extreme short form formats that are easily disposable - so almost no one creates truly great "compila…

Here's a site I like to link whenever this discussion comes up (not associated): https://wiby.me I love hopping in and hitting the "surprise me" every once in a while, and reading some obscure webpage written by an actual person with a passion for a subject. In the past I've seen a site dedicated to the soundtrack for a film series (I can't remember which), not even necessarily streaming the soundtrack or something,…

Oh my gosh, the "surprise me" link took me here:

http://www.rechenmaschinen-illustrated.com/

It's a site full of photos and descriptions of antique calculators!

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #201

It's an awkward and elitist thing to say, but I believe it to be true: whatever is embraced by the masses, suffers in some ways. The expert/nerd internet was pioneering, weird, edgy, cooperative. The internet for the masses is...different. You'll see the same effect in movies, following "safe" formulas. Every movie must have a romantic side story, no matter how irrelevant. It must deliver to the broadest audience pos…

Something like a tragedy of the commons in creativity.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #9

I remember the thousands of interesting and weird pages listed on StumbleUpon - directories of obscure topics, avant garde art projects and detailed field specific blogs - many of them both pretty and thoroughly made. Mind expanding stuff. I feel like today all of that has moved to silos like tiktok and instagram, in extreme short form formats that are easily disposable - so almost no one creates truly great "compila…

It's called TikTok. The internet evolved dude.

TikTok used to suggest all sorts of long-form articles. Tiktok is all short-form video; a bunch of vapid trash.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #201

It's an awkward and elitist thing to say, but I believe it to be true: whatever is embraced by the masses, suffers in some ways. The expert/nerd internet was pioneering, weird, edgy, cooperative. The internet for the masses is...different. You'll see the same effect in movies, following "safe" formulas. Every movie must have a romantic side story, no matter how irrelevant. It must deliver to the broadest audience pos…

Maybe Gopher or one of those similar inspired projects is the future after all. Too weird for mass appeal.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #201

It's an awkward and elitist thing to say, but I believe it to be true: whatever is embraced by the masses, suffers in some ways. The expert/nerd internet was pioneering, weird, edgy, cooperative. The internet for the masses is...different. You'll see the same effect in movies, following "safe" formulas. Every movie must have a romantic side story, no matter how irrelevant. It must deliver to the broadest audience pos…

I might phrase it, "whatever is embraced by the masses becomes more appealing to the masses." Broadening in appeal is not necessarily worse, although it's surely worse from the perspective of the initial specialized interest group. Yes, the Internet of yesteryear was more interesting to our type of people, but it had no appeal whatsoever to anyone else. The world is better off today with an Internet that billions fin…

Honestly, I think we have a discovery problem.

There's plenty of room for both groups. In a way the internet is limitless. A lot of that weirdness still exists, it's just incredibly hard to find.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's a site I like to link whenever this discussion comes up (not associated): https://wiby.me I love hopping in and hitting the "surprise me" every once in a while, and reading some obscure webpage written by an actual person with a passion for a subject. In the past I've seen a site dedicated to the soundtrack for a film series (I can't remember which), not even necessarily streaming the soundtrack or something,…

Got this link: https://mebious.neocities.org/Layer/Wierd.html It's a Thought Experiments Lain website P.S. There absolutely is definitely going to be sound coming through speakers. Fair heads up.

I really enjoy that the Lain fans are not slowing down in the slightest with their love for Lain.

Re: Why isn't the internet more fun and weird? (2019)

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All the fun and weird stuff is still around, it just typically doesn't SEO well and doesn't show up on Google, and is too long-tail to show up on popularity-based algorithms like those of Reddit or Facebook. I've spent the last year or so building tools and algorithms specifically to dig up "fun and weird". It's still there: https://search.marginalia.nu/explore/random

This site is excellent, worth a submission of its own.
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